<p>Just ordered score verification (not handscoring) just the booklet/info/actual vs correct etc etc
The online lets us see just the # correct and general type as well as the essay for the Jan test.
Because from the online report the “self reported” GPA is like .35 lower than the actual and our student knows the right GPA…its too odd…
I have read that students can make errors with “gridding”
any clue to what that means??</p>
<p>Figured for $18 to see what was missed (nerves - whatever) is worth it
as our student is working hard and making As in AP Cal but did not walk with an 800 on the math…
sigh</p>
<p>And I thought the dimpled ballots and hanging “chads” was ridiculous…lol</p>
<p>hey fogfog, when you look at the SAT math problems, you’ll see they are nothing like calculus, but more like math puzzles. One reason many people dislike these tests as college success indicators is that they don’t really measure math ability, or reflect the subject matter a student might have mastered (like calculus) but rather their ability to see patterns, know some geometry and algebra, but most of all, have spent some time learning the “tricks” to quickly solve the problems. No point in whining about this, however, since that’s the measuring stick in place right now…</p>
<p>I just want them to ask me real math, just ask me about velocity, rotation, dif equ --something…but what is the point here…??</p>
<p>Our student went to the hs for math/science early on and did hte reat of the day at middle school
–so alg 1 was 7th grade, geo, 8th grade…
and even so the puzzles often have no real application --compared to the applied math our student is studying–And our student may major in math…</p>
<p>a little SAT prep for a kid like yours will result in an outstanding score…I hate hate hate test prep, but the fact is “everybody’s doing it” and if you don’t you are at a disadvantage. It’s just another hoop.</p>
<p>The dilemma between math talent and SAT math was well-explained by riverrunner^^. Conquering the tricks, and old formulas from early years will help your student. Many of our kids scored lower on SATI math then aced SATII Math, and APCalc. </p>
<p>fogfog…Same for my son. Just finished up calc last semester. SAT math was a long time ago as he was a repeat freshmen. He had algebra I in eighth grade, geometry and algebra II his first freshman year. That’s all that’s on the SAT. He did no review at all. I think a good math SAT prep will help him out a lot.</p>
<p>One coach has already responded to keep the updates coming–liked the transcript very much and was impressed and said the SATs were a good place to start…</p>
<p>Is it true that athletic and acedemic scholarships are pulled from the athletic department in DII? I know a someone who was offerred $11,000 per year x 4 for acedemics, then the coach said he could give him another $ 1000 for 4 years but all of the money would be coming from the athletic budget.
Does not make sense. It is like taking from the building fund to pay operating expenses. I know it can’t be done in the public universities. Is it allowed in the private universities?
Also is there down time when a college coach can’t talk with an athlete during the senier year? ( ie: sport season of HS?)</p>
<p>fogfog - remember if your student does better in ACT math or the ACT in general, you can use the ACT plus 3 SAT IIs of your choosing for any top school you are looking at. Our student didn’t even take the SATs which is highly unusual in our part of the country, but the ACT was more straightforward and was a better test for them. With a very good ACT score to submit, no one cared about the lack of SAT. It can be tough for an athlete to fit in a formal prep class, but you can always have them schedule some time each weekend for them to do timed practice questions at home and have them go over every answer they got wrong and learn from the explanation. Luckily you have a lot of time between now and April (ACT) and June (SAT) to prep. It is good to get all your testing done in Jr year as in Sr year it is tough to compete in your sport and schedule official visits too. Sounds like you have a good schedule mapped out, just add some prep. Good luck to you and your student !!!</p>
<p>fogfog- You asked about problems with “gridding” at the top of the page. That refers to marking the little boxes on the answer sheet. If a kid get marks off the box on the wrong line, all the following boxes and answers in the grid will be off, and wrong as well.</p>
<p>Our kiddo does not have time for traditional prep </p>
<p>We have found a teacher/math who takes the SAT every year and helps kids prep…
– normally runs a series of prep classes
(with school and sports our kiddo has no time for that)</p>
<p>Will set appointments for private tutoring in these areas. Our kiddo is sending an email tonight about borrowing a math book (from the alg/geo concentrations–we don’t have any of that as kiddo is in calc and the other books are long gone) so anything forgotten will hopefully be retrieved quickly. Early last semester Calc was not going well–the teacher asked “when did you take Alg!”…kiddo said 7th grade…Kiddo was missing little details. Cleared them up and went from a B- to an A+ and the highest in the class…</p>
<p>Will be interesting to see if there are gridding issues, or bubbling issues…I mentioned the wrong GPA thing and how its wrong…wonder if it was written sloppily and scanned wrong. Its not important but is a clue…</p>
<p>Could be moving along too quickly.</p>
<p>Still I believe kiddo needs to be in the 2200 range to secure this recruiting thing</p>
<p>Fog - I think that you self-report your grades when you register for the test, not when you actually take it, so it probably has little to do with the scores on the test. </p>
<p>I just registered our second child for the SAT on-line and had to self-report her grades in all core subjects. I think that’s what is used to generate the self-reported GPA. Though as other posters have said, the self-reported GPA is really irrelevant - colleges are only going to be interested in GPA based on actual transcripts. Good luck to your S with the test prep - I think the kind of targeted test prep you’re pursuing can be quite helpful -</p>
<p>I spoke with a parent of a recruited athete who will be a frosh in the fall…
I mentioned how the parents of an athlete were “bragging” how their student was going to pratice with the team…when the reality is the kid is going to watch the team practice…a big difference.</p>
<p>FWIW…
The parent of this successful recruit told me that so many parents say things that are not even close to the truth to “psych” out other athletes and parents…and these types of parents play too many games which coaches do not like…</p>
<p>^^^ Horrible that people say things to “psych” out others - pointless as it is up to the coaches and administration who is “good enough” or the right fit anyway…not competitive parents and athletes - ! </p>
<p>I cannot tell you how many times I hear about students/athletes getting “full rides” to Ivies - I don’t even bother correcting people (informing them of ivy aid rules), but just smile and say “that’s great!”. The stories of “practicing with the team” are just as baseless…“whatever”!</p>
<p>Oh, where is your sense of adventure! You need to ask these people for more information about their “Ivy Full Ride”, and see how much they really know. I’m sorry, but I find it perversally funny when talking to people like this. I’m always up for a good chuckle at their expense.</p>
<p>yes recently someone told me that a club coach bragged that a kid got a full ride to an ivy for a sport—ha—This parent hasn’t done any research yet—so since the mom is a friend I explained that ivies don’t pay for sports no matter waht someone tells you…
and I have suggested she visit here at cc.</p>
<p>You are right Mayhew–best to just smile---- I started thinking about these particular parents–and ok–rolling eyes now–</p>
<p>Our student got a nice package of info today in the mail–basically explaining how from the x number of athletes they will speak with over the next 9 months— in the end 5% end up as supported…</p>
<p>It makes me wonder if alot of D1 schools have those kinds of stats 5% or less…</p>
<p>Fenway—I am kinda dying to ask them some real questions about the claims–to put these parents on the spot–they are name-droppers too and --sigh–VERY competitive using their student for their esteem. The student is kind nice to be around and very tense when the folks are around…I just am sweet as honey with them and pretend to not notice…</p>
<p>I’m with you, fenwaysouth. Depending on who it is who’s doing the bragging or misinforming, and also whether I think they’re doing so out of ignorance, pride, or manipulation, I like to ask questions in an feigned innocent, but intentionally pointed way. The guilty squirm, and the merely stupid just look confused. But I can’t tell you how many people will argue to the death that Ivies give athletic scholarships. They just keep insisting, and then finally they say something like “Well, if they don’t, I KNOW they still find some way to give athletes money for playing sports, like they give them books and free room and board.”</p>