The Indian Thread (TiT) # 14

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I was applying to college this year. Since I need financial aid I was wondering if it makes sense to apply to colleges which don’t offer aid.</p>

<p>From what I’ve heard, even though many colleges like Purdue, UT Austin, GATech etc. say that they don’t offer aid they actually do so after freshman year.</p>

<p>And Purdue is quite notorious for taking in hordes of Indian students!</p>

<p>I was hoping somebody could tell me the prospects of getting aid at such schools.</p>

<p>Thanks
Saatvik
P.S. - Of course, I am an international student or I wouldn’t be asking this!</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>Indian schools and teachers being what they are, I was wondering how to get good reco letters out of them. Cause in my school the teachers who taught me in 11th and 12th can’t even write a good letter so…</p>

<p>What did you guys do?</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>I just let them submit bad recs :p</p>

<p>Haha I don’t think it was a very good idea though :(</p>

<p>But there were some teachers who allowed us to write our own recs - unfortunately none of them ever taught me so I couldn’t ask them to sign my self composed eulogies.</p>

<p>cool_abs44, imo ivy league adm is difficult even normally (without transfer). You’ll need to post more about yourself before anyone here can help you. 80%CBSE will not help you at all.</p>

<p>write the recs yourself.</p>

<p>i’m not saying it works (it didnt for me), but thats what i did</p>

<p>if you’re so worried about their letter writing skills give them a draft or sample of a rec letter.</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I will be applying to colleges in the US and Canada this year and was wondering if it is absolutely necessary to give the TOEFL.</p>

<p>Many colleges that I am applying to like MIT, Stanford, Caltech don’t need it but I’m not usre if the other colleges need it. The info on their sites is kinda cryptic. It says things like : “if you are not a native English speaker”.</p>

<p>Can I get by without giving it?</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Hey aastavik, </p>

<p>You have a lot of questions, which is good :D</p>

<p>First, teacher recs are important, definitely, and it doesn’t really matter whether your teachers have the best writing skills or not. I would suggest that if they are ready to write for you then appreciate the gesture and trust them; they won’t mess it up I’m sure :slight_smile: On the other hand, if you’re looking for a correlation between well-written teacher recommendations and successful college applications, I doubt you’re going to find any :smiley: It’s ‘what’ they write about you that matters over ‘how’ they put it!</p>

<p>Second, taking the TOEFL isn’t absolutely necessary but definitely recommended for students applying to US colleges. For instance, you can always submit your TOEFL score in place of the SAT I at MIT :slight_smile: And as we all know, TOEFL’s a breezer compared to SAT I Verbal! </p>

<p>Now, about the finaid at colleges that aren’t needblind. I had the same question when I was applying (I needed HEAVY aid) and since I didn’t have much guidance, I ended up applying to about 2 dozen colleges (!!!) and I can tell you I was a fool :D</p>

<p>Anyway, here’s a message from the old CC forums that I saved on my computer long back when I was looking for answers … It was posted by Carolyn…</p>

<p>" Because I frequently get emails or see posts here from international students who are looking to go to a U.S. college but need financial aid, I have done some research that I thought I’d share. </p>

<p>First, while Harvard, MIT, and other well-known name schools do give financial aid to international students these top schools are difficult to get into and, more importantly, are NOT THE ONLY SCHOOLS that give financial aid packages to internationals. If your goal is to study in the U.S. you must look beyond these schools to schools that are less selective and also give a large number of international students financial aid. Second, don’t just apply to the most expensive schools in the U.S. and expect a free ride - you need to find the schools that are less expensive to begin with PLUS that meet financial need for international students. </p>

<p>So, what are those schools? Here are some worth looking at: </p>

<p>Let’s start with Berea College in Kentucky - they accept 30 international students each year and tuition is FREE - you will pay for your room and board, expected to be about $3500 a year. In exchange for free tuition you — and everyone on campus -will have to work in a campus job during the school year. You will also, as a Berea student be able to work over the summer for pay to help meet your living expenses. Berea is a decent liberal arts college with some excellent programs. The main drawback for some may be that it a “Christian” college, although it is not affiliated with any particular religion and welcomes students of every faith. </p>

<p>Barry University in Florida - This school gives financial aid to almost all of its 173 international students (7%of the student body is international). Barry’s strongest programs are in business administration, education, psychology, and computer sciences. </p>

<p>Eckerd College in Florida - another good smaller liberal arts college with a beautiful waterfront campus. Has 102 international students, gives financial aid to nearly all of them who need it.
Strong programs in biology, oceanography, business, psychology. </p>

<p>College of Wooster in Ohio - a very good liberal arts school. All students must complete a research project and Wooster has good grad school placement rates. Has about 133 international students (7%of student body), gives financial aid to almost all who need it. 38% of all students also receive substantial merit awards. Strong programs in history, biology. </p>

<p>Marquette University in Wisc. Has 143 international students - gives financial aid to nearly every one of them who require it. Marquette is a larger university (7000 students) that is affiliated withthe Roman Catholic church but you do not have to be Catholic to attend. Strong programs in engineering, nursing,business, biomedical sciences. </p>

<p>Illinois Institute of Technology - Small technically oriented school with good enginering, computer sciene, and science programs. Has 380 international students, gives financial aid to about half. </p>

<p>Clark University (Mass) This university is strong in pychology, business, biology - has 152 students and gives financial aid to nearly every one of them who needs it. </p>

<p>I could go on — but here are some other schools worth looking at if you are an international and need financial aid:
University of Rochester, Eastern Michigan University, Macalester, University of Bridgeport, Ohio Wesleyan, Mount Holyoke, Grinnell, University of South Florida, Oberin, Slippery Rock University, Texas Christian Univrsty, University of Miami, Florida Inst. of Technology, Calvin College,Alleghey College, Beloit, Denison University, Lawrence University, Lewis & Clark, St. Lawrence University, Trinity College (CT), Lake Forest College. All of these schools give financial aid to a substantial portion of accepted international students - even better, many are excellent schools that are relatively easy to get into. </p>

<p>I hope this will help increase the chances of studying in the U.S for some international students. "</p>

<p>Also, do check out <a href=“http://www.internationalstudent.com%5B/url%5D”>www.internationalstudent.com</a> for a more comprehensive list of aid-granting universities in the US.</p>

<p>If you have any further questions, drop me an email on <a href=“mailto:laila@mit.edu”>laila@mit.edu</a></p>

<p>Goodluck! :)</p>

<p>Hey cool_abs44,</p>

<p>I would strongly advise you to take a gap year and not apply as a tranfser student! You do realise that getting accepted at a good college WITH financial aid is pretty hard, and is even harder if you apply as a transfer student, infact, chances of acceptance almost fall down to nil.</p>

<p>Taking a gap year isn’t uncommon! Many of my MIT classmates took off a year before applying and engaged in various activities during that gap year. You could do just the same. Take up a few APs if you can, prepare rigorously for the SATs… .write something… travel…read extensively… do good research on US college admissions… there are SO many things you could do!!! Maybe i should get you in touch with someone who took a year off and is now going to college… that should give you a better picture :)</p>

<p>In the meantime, give the idea some more time… talk to your family and friends, get their opinion as well… :)</p>

<p>and do check this out <a href=“http://matt.mitblogs.com/archives/2005/07/mind_the_gap.html[/url]”>http://matt.mitblogs.com/archives/2005/07/mind_the_gap.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You can also write to me if you need any help <a href=“mailto:laila@mit.edu”>laila@mit.edu</a> :)</p>

<p>Goodluck!</p>

<p>Thanks O laila i have mailed u!</p>

<p>any more suggestions are welcome guys</p>

<p>aastavik </p>

<p>Illinois institute of technology does not give any financial aid apaart from scholarships which is extrememly competetive ( expect to get around 12-15 k per year) If you can afford it its definetely worth looking at </p>

<p>APart from that its really good engineering school</p>

<p>hey guys</p>

<p>thanks a lot for your help!</p>

<p>i’m gonna take the toefl now!</p>

<p>can you recommend any large private schools which are good for computer science and offer aid to intl. students?</p>

<p>right now i’m looking at MIT, stanford, Caltech, princeton, cornell, Upenn (M&T), USC (safety), Purdue, UT Austin.</p>

<p>Are schools like Dartmouth, Duke, Brown also good for Comp. Sc/Engg.?</p>

<p>thanks</p>

<p>Duke is pretty good isn’t it fellas :slight_smile: ?</p>

<p>I am not sure about the compsci/engg progs at the others schools but their aid is very competetive .</p>

<p>and btw does anyone still reemember me :slight_smile: ?</p>

<p>can’t believe i have 1400 after that " I wont post until i get a good acceptance" episode</p>

<p>LOL nomad :D</p>

<p>Actually nomad I think the max scholarship you can get at Illinois IT without a personal interview is 9K.</p>

<p>Given the net cost I would choose UT Austin or University of Waterloo over Illinois IT anyday :)</p>

<p>Duke BME is awesome, but I get the feeling that the rest of the Engineering dept lacks depth. Their Computer Science dept is very good though, so do add Duke to your list. Their financial aid is awesome, so if you get in you won’t have to worry about $$$.</p>

<p>hello… do u hav anything against me??? :-/</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>What’s Duke BME?</p>

<p>I wanted to know if the Ivy Leagues are good for Computer Engineering. From what I’ve heard they concentrate more on social sciences.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>I wanted to know where all one can get a <em>good</em> dual degree in engg. and management/engg. and economics.</p>

<p>Right now I only know about UPenn’s M&T program.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>

Bio-medical engineering...considered to be one of the best in the country at duke's pratt engineering school&lt;/p&gt;

<p>

Well princeton offers a financial engineering but that’s not recommended if you want hardcore engineering. for more information on this, go to engineering forum, and search for dual degrees there, there were lots of threads on this topic…also another thing you can do is do a minor in economics with a major in engineering</p>