The investment..speculation, out right gambling thread

<p>You told me you don’t like aapl that much…</p>

<p>I would sell something like the 520s 1/19 and buy the 565s 1/19…</p>

<p>If the 520s expire worthless… You just saved 7 1/2 points…</p>

<p>If the stock rallies next week… The premium is high in the 1/25s …you can roll…</p>

<p>You can sell the 525 calls or the 530 calls 1/19 instead of the 520 calls if you aren’t that negative…</p>

<p>Or the 510 or 515 calls if you are more negative.</p>

<p>You have downside risk to 480…</p>

<p>I don’t look at 510 as the risk on the downside…</p>

<p>If you can handle the risk to 480 that is fine.</p>

<p>I see Fib support at $491 and resistance at $531.</p>

<p>On mistakes: if it’s a fundamental play, then I hang on until my threshold of pain (or stop). If a technical play, then I get out and it’s a mistake. Hanging onto a losing position for a long time messes with your mind.</p>

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I like that. Better than being in a hope and pray mode.</p>

<p>If I have a losing position, I just don’t check them for months. It makes it far less painful, and I tell myself, “Sure, we’re in it for the long haul!”</p>

<p>Actually, I just checked my crummy stock pick (Ford), and it has gone up about 30% or so since the last time I checked. So maybe it’s not as bad as I thought.</p>

<p>Doct, I have to throw this out here…</p>

<p>Another thing you can do is sell the 1/19 535 calls and buy the 1/19 565 calls. You can do this spread more than what you have on now…</p>

<p>For example, if you are long 5 of the 480-565 call spread…</p>

<p>You can sell this other spread the 535-565 spread 6 to 10 times…</p>

<p>This gives you a little bit more room on the immediate upside…although you can lose more on the upside…</p>

<p>You can also sell options out of the money that expire tomorrow…and roll if the options end up in the money…</p>

<p>Or…you can do nothing by the way…and just eat any potential loss…your downside is limited to 480…</p>

<p>^^I have to give this some thought. I typically do not like to sell these type of call spreads but I have the other call spread so I’ve got to work it out and see what happens.</p>

<p>From my perspective, aapl is a long term fundamental problem and a short term technical problem. The choices of what to do are more involved with options and there are many ways of playing this as Dstark has pointed out which do not exist by just owning the stock.</p>

<p>Aapl is up 12. That helps.</p>

<p>China Mobile - maybe this helps. I’d love to unload the 510 put that I sold.</p>

<p>China’s trade numbers were much better than estimates and unemployment numbers were only slightly negative so good environment for a stick save.</p>

<p>Bought the 1/19 510 - 500 aapl put for 1.9, Will probably look to sell some more otm 1/19 puts if aapl drops further to get back some of the 1.9 that made my risk - reward that much worse.</p>

<p>we will begin to see better employment numbers because Obamacare will make employers hire only part time workers or reduce hours of existing workers. Employers will need to hire more part time workers to avoid paying for health insurance for full time workers. Also, the economy is improving especially in housing which hires a lot of hourly workers.</p>

<p>Ok…that helps your cut your downside risk…</p>

<p>You have downside risk…selling more puts is just going to add to it…</p>

<p>How likely do you think aapl will be 550 before 01/25?</p>

<p>I’m probably wrong but if I thought it was particularly likely, I wouldn’t be buying more protection. It had popped up to 555 a little more than a week ago. If they have decent earnings, revenue on the 23rd it might get back up there. Lots of the big folks have it and may be accumulating going into earnings.</p>

<p>I’d guess that AAPL goes higher for options expirations. There are a ton of ITM puts right now; an quick eyeball seems to indicate fewer ITM calls at higher levels. A max pain analysis would be interesting. It’s hard to do these with an eyeball look because Apple is so active with a very wide price range.</p>

<p>Ok…my problem is your breakeven is too high. One of my problems.</p>

<p>Would you be better off if you got rid of the put spread…bought in the 565 calls…</p>

<p>And instead… Sold the 1/25 520 calls…bought the 535 calls and sold the 555 calls…</p>

<p>I think this would lower your breakeven while still giving you the upside…</p>

<p>Play with it…I am not studying this…I could be wrong.</p>

<p>I don’t work this much on my own stuff. :)</p>

<p>You’re right of course. If I can lower my breakeven, I improve my risk reward. I’ll have to look at your suggestion at lunch. I’ve never tried what you’re suggesting. As I mentioned I wouldn’t typically sell a lower strike call and buy back a higher strike price call but maybe in this situation, its the wise thing to do.</p>

<p>I think it is better…</p>

<p>" As I mentioned I wouldn’t typically sell a lower strike call and buy back a higher strike price call but maybe in this situation, its the wise thing to do."</p>

<p>You kind of did the above already in an indirect way.</p>

<p>If you graph out your pnl based on different stock prices…You will see that around 535 you start getting upside…</p>

<p>I think the numbers work better doing what I mentioned compared to what you have on and for what you want to do…</p>

<p>You can play with it…you can change the strikes too.</p>

<p>Ok…</p>

<p>Gotta go.</p>

<p>well at least my fb calls are doing well</p>

<p>Razorsharp, on Dec 24 =>

on dec 24 HLF low of day was 24.24 (also low of the move) closed at 26.06</p>

<p>current quote, 40.90</p>

<p>Razorsharp liked FB too.</p>

<p>Nice on the fb, doct.</p>

<p>I enjoy this.</p>

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