The investment..speculation, out right gambling thread

<p>Doct, you are a smart guy and I like what you are doing. I am not just saying that either.</p>

<p>Take a look at instead of buying the 700- 670 put spread buying something like the 700 - 690 put spread in a larger amount…so instead of buying the 700- 670 put spread twice, you buy the 700- 690 put spread 6 times…See if that can work for you. The pnl will be a little different…maybe you just watch it this time and consider something like this in the future…</p>

<p>These options have very large bid-offer spreads…that is a negative.</p>

<p>Your best bet may be to just get out…</p>

<p>Thanks! Since I had so much unease about goog, I only did 2 contracts, but I still don’t want to lose >6600. I may still be able to get out with -11 or so (2200) above 700. It is probably best to get out but let me see what happens at the open. I’ll take a look at your suggestion.</p>

<p>Ok…and you don’t have to do it this time. Something to keep in mind for the future.</p>

<p>I wouldn’t buy the offer and sell the bids on these spreads either…at least not with the width of the bid offers in these contracts…</p>

<p>No guru today.</p>

<p>Bought a goog spread… Sold the same goog spread. Scratched. Schwab makes money.</p>

<p>Aapl is easier to trade than goog.</p>

<p>GOOG is a much more complex company than AAPL. They had a great runup from the $500s by getting into the hardware business but they have some problems in other areas. I don’t like to own companies that are hard to understand (like TXN which has a million product lines). GOOG is usually pretty bad on guidance too (so is AAPL - they always lowball).</p>

<p>BTW, BCE is working out (divvy stock from last week). I only bought the small amount for my wife’s account. The dip that I was looking for to buy for my own account didn’t happen.</p>

<p>Sold one of my goog call spreads near the open, kept the second one and the 2 put spreads.</p>

<p>Well, its great that you were able to buy some stock for your wife…so congrats on that…</p>

<p>Besides fundamentals which you covered…</p>

<p>Goog is just harder to trade than I like…</p>

<p>It is illiquid and the markets are wide. Aapl is obviously much more liquid. Aapl has spreads that are much tighter and that don’t cost much. Of course, the trader can still lose. :)</p>

<p>I think I will try something in aapl instead…just gambling…</p>

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<p>Never played around with options on GOOG. The stock itself was fine.</p>

<p>If you want to see a stock that directly benefits from all of the moneyprinting, look at BG. That’s been on a nice run for quite a while.</p>

<p>Doct…nice that you were able to get rid of that 1 spread…</p>

<p>Never traded BG. You’re right. Stock has done very well.</p>

<p>BG is an investing kind of stock - good to hold for long periods of time when central bankers are printing like crazy. Everyone needs to eat and BG sells a lot of soybeans to China. The biofuels thing helps them out too.</p>

<p>I missed BG.</p>

<p>This is my apple trade…</p>

<p>All jans…</p>

<p>Bot 4 of the 510 calls for 12.75…sold 4 of the 520 calls for 9.25 cost $1400
Sold 2 more 520 calls for 9.25 bot 2 540 calls for 4.25. Credit of 1,000.
Position is…</p>

<p>Long 4 aapl 510 calls short 6 520 calls…long 2 540 calls </p>

<p>Trade cost $400…</p>

<p>Max gain which will probably never happen is 2600 on the 510 -520 call spread plus $1000 on the 520-540 call spread…</p>

<p>Trade makes money between 511 and 538 at expiration.</p>

<p>I am playing for a small bounce…not too small…I don’t want the bounce to large either. :)</p>

<p>Your max loss is only 400 - looks good. I can’t believe my VZ shares are actually up today.</p>

<p>Yeah…it was a nice turnaround in VZ…</p>

<p>Ok now I added to my trade…</p>

<p>Bot the 540-550-560 butterfly…</p>

<p>Bot 2 540 calls sold 4 550 calls bot 2 560 calls for .61</p>

<p>So this is my position…</p>

<p>Long 4 510 calls short 6 520 calls long 4 540 calls short 4 550 calls and long 2 560 calls…</p>

<p>Cost 522…</p>

<p>Makes money between 511.31 and 536.78 or 542.61 and 557.39.</p>

<p>Max profit points… At a 520 share price the spreads make $3478 at expiration.
At 550… The spread makes $1478.</p>

<p>I figure the 540-550-560 biutterfly doesn’t cost me that much and if the
stock is anywhere near 540 before the last couple of houes of expiration…I can get out of the butterfly without losing. The butterfly gives me an extra 20 bucks to plsy with…</p>

<p>If aapl goes down after earnings I lose…</p>

<p>The commissions are probably close to $60 additional bucks so far…</p>

<p>CHK and SJT doing very nicely. I haven’t been following NG carefully though it’s one of my major positions. We’re getting some bitter cold weather this week in New England. I think that it’s a little late getting in on CHK and SJT but CHK was definitely playable on the trendline breakout.</p>

<p>I unloaded all my goog call spreads. If the stock closes below 700 on the 25th, I make almost 3 per share - unexpected.</p>

<p>Ok doct, good luck…</p>

<p>BCEagle91, good luck on your nat gas plays.</p>

<p>Well - you win a few and you lose a few.</p>