The Ivy Plus Society

[UCBChemEGrad]

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actually, only three, namely: Berkeley, Michigan and UVa.

<em>clears throat</em></p>

<p>Berkeley = 4.7</p>

<p>Michigan = 4.4
Virginia = 4.3</p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>Carry on…</p>

[Alexandre]

<p>Lesdiablesbleus, the cutoff does not make sense. Michigan and UVa are peer institutions at the undergraduate level, with Michigan having stronger graduate programs. It would be like including Duke and leaving out Penn. Same thing with Swarthmore (which is a peer of Amherst and Williams).</p>

[RML]

<p>^ you’re naughty, UCBChemgrad :D</p>

<p>anyway, i think that’s for undergrad. but for professional education, which I think draws school prestige and brand power largely, Michigan and UVa, being national and international names, are superior to UCLA’s. UCLA’s are still “regional” names.</p>

<p>Michigan Law, Med and Business, and UVa Law and UVa Business are tier 1 schools. UCLA’s, except for its med school, aren’t.</p>

[xiggi]

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There has to be a cutoff somewhere Alex. I think the goal of the group is to include undergraduate institutions that have the greatest “selectivity” and “reputation”.

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<p>Consider this your “green light” to start a new debate on the definition of “selectivity” and “reputation”. Let’s see all those wonderful lists that do such a great job of “selectively” offer the data we should know. For selectivity, mine would start with a list of the schools that had sub-20 percent admissions for the Classes of 2010 and 2011. Does that seem to be a reasonable cutoff, LesDiablesBleus? After all, there has to be a cutoff somewhere ! :)</p>

<p>The forum is, indeed, in great need to wake up from his post-USnews release lethargy.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

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Despite the air of educational exclusivity, there were no Ivy Plus police to bar anyone who went to a college further down the U.S. News & World Report rankings. “If you’re hearing about the events, you’re probably connected to this academic community,” Ms. Anderson said, “and we certainly welcome you to attend.” </p>

<p>That sat well with Jessica Habib, 31, who attended even though neither of her alma maters, Wesleyan or Fordham Law, are on the Ivy Plus list. “I feel like I travel in these circles,” said Ms. Habib, a corporate lawyer, who was not bothered by the omission of her colleges. “Although, Wesleyan calls itself a potted ivy,” she said, thinking twice about it, before determining the list seemed a little arbitrary.</p>

<p>Michal Albanese, a sales executive for a fashion trade show who graduated from Brown in 1999, confirmed that the list did breed insecurity in some at the group’s last party. A couple of guests were called out for not having gone to Ivy Plus universities, she said, and one gentleman began rattling off his other accomplishments. </p>

<p>“The guy went to, like, Illinois,” she said, trying to recall the college.</p>

<p>“I don’t remember,” she added. ”But his friend kept saying, ‘You’re not even a plus.’ ”

Definitely CCers. :rolleyes:</p>

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“If you wanted to describe these schools, these are all highly selective, academically rigorous institutions,” she said, although social reputations also come into play. “The Duke people are so much fun. There’s just some schools you want to make sure you include.”

Interesting that it’s implied from the founder that Duke was not included in the “society” on an academic basis… ;)</p>

[xiggi]

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The Duke people are so much fun.

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<p>UCB, would you place your “Definitely CCers” after that quotation? :)</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Heh. Sure, why not? A lot of 'em definitely make this board fun and their posts can go a long way to “waking up this forum” from its “post-USnews release lethargy.”</p>

[toast_eater]

<p>How about the US News Top 12 Selectivity List. </p>

<ol>
<li>Yale, Caltech</li>
<li>Harvard, MIT, Columbia, Princeton</li>
<li>Washingotn U. Penn</li>
<li>Stanford, Dartmouth, Brown</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
</ol>

<p>This would keep the “riff-raff” from places like Notre Dame and Emory with their “ghastly” high 20s percent selectivity from forcing the “in-people” into a larger and less intimate setting for their parties.</p>

[xiggi]

<p>No, no, toast eater, you’ve got that one wrong. You can’t possibly use such “arbitrary” data and use numbers. You see that defeats the beauty of a process based on applying criteria … selectively. That is how the MAS aka the Mutual Admiration Society works. </p>

<p>Fwiw, I am wondering if they have separate badges for the “real” Ivy Leaguers with some green foliage and others with a big red cross for the “invited” plussers.</p>

[monydad]

<p>"Rice and Swarthmore just got the shaft in my opinion. "</p>

<p>You guys are reading quite a bit into this thing, it’s a social thing put together by this person. Maybe someone from her high school who went to Swarthmore was a dork, and it left her with a bad impression. It isn’t intended as a substitute for US news.</p>

[tk21769]

<p>Ivy Plus is not a college ranking. It is to the meet market what Cachet was to escort services.</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>Who started this thread again?</p>

[lesdiablesbleus]

<p>^Where’s Michigan undergrad on the list rjk? ;)</p>

[catg]

<p>rjkofnovi, ftw!</p>

[sentimentGX4]

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@RML

anyway, i think that’s for undergrad. but for professional education, which I think draws school prestige and brand power largely, Michigan and UVa, being national and international names, are superior to UCLA’s. UCLA’s are still “regional” names.</p>

<p>Michigan Law, Med and Business, and UVa Law and UVa Business are tier 1 schools. UCLA’s, except for its med school, aren’t.

Umm… no. Cut your Berkeley bias against UCLA out. </p>

<p>UVa business: Rank 13
UCLA business: Rank 15
Tier 1? Virginia has a well known undergrad business school.</p>

<p>UVa law: Rank 10
UCLA law: Rank 15</p>

<p>UVa med: Rank 25
UCLA med: Rank 11</p>

<p>UVa engineering: 39
UCLA engineering: 14</p>

<p>UCLA is clearly the superior (and better rounded) grad school. While UCLA is roughly the same rank for practically every area, Virginia really bombs certain areas. </p>

<p>UVa THEQS/USNWR: 128
UCLA THEQS/USNWR: 32</p>

<p>UVa ARWU: 96
UCLA ARWU: 13</p>

<p>UCLA is also the superior international university. Virginia isn’t an international university at all!</p>

[RML]

<p>^ You’re probably right about Virginia vs UCLA. I was focussing on postgrad business and law when i was typing that.</p>

[johnwesley]

<p>I’m actually sort of glad the NESCAC schools were excluded; why should OUR networks be diluted by a lot of people we’ve never played against and whose names (nine out of ten times) no one will recognize?</p>