The Jena 6

<p>“I just think that many posters on CC have a very narrow viewpoint of black culture and urban issues due to their own lack of experience. I saw this in the Duke case, and now here.”</p>

<p>What does anyone’s views, or prior experience on black culture and urban issues have to do with their ability to clearly analyse the succession of events that occured in Jena, LA?</p>

<p>Are you saying that “black culture” and “urban issues” made white students hang nooses from the “Whites Only” tree after a black asked if he could sit under it? That it’s the black students’ “culture” that is at fault when the school board decided to make light of this action, and to disregard the emotional and historical implications of those nooses for the black members of the Jena community? Are you saying that it was “black culture” that made the DA threaten black students with “making their lives disappear with the stroke of a pen?” if they didn’t stop making trouble over an “innocent prank”? </p>

<p>Oh forget it. I know you’ve decided to pick up your marbles and go home. It’s probably for the best, especially since you weren’t willing to address any of the other circumstances that led up to the beating of J. Barker, and this case coming to national prominence. You and Razorsharp were asked very specific questions, pointblank, but haven’t thus shown the intellectual honesty to address them, or to acknowledge that this case has always been about much more than a group of black boys beating up a white one. It was about much more long before the Al and Jesse show came to town. But, one thing it was never about is anyone’s “narrow viewpoint of black culture and urban issues”. </p>

<p>There’s nothing “urban” about Jena, LA, btw.</p>

<p>Being as I’m a middle aged black women who experienced school segregation and Jim Crow first hand, I can assure you that my perspectives on black culture are probably more comprehensive than yours will ever be. I’ve never lived in a very urban setting, certainly never what people traditionally mean when they speak of “the ghetto”, but I fail to see what “urban culture” has to do with the goings in a small town in the deep south. </p>

<p>I can accept that you think the DA’s charges of Attempt Murder are Just. You’ve explained why you think that they are. What you haven’t done is address the case in it’s entire context, but sought to limit the discussion only to the things you deem important, and repeatedly accuse others (until very recently) of “excusing” criminal behavior.</p>

<p>It surprised a lot of us that you claimed to be both a lawyer, and to have been “in the trenches” advocating for “disenfranchised groups in various parts of the country”, because you seemed to arduously deny that any sort of disenfranchisment may have been taking place in Jena. And now, after making the claim to both, know more than most people here about “black culture” and “urban issues”, and work for those impacted by these things, you’ve chosen to go home, rather than fully expound on any of it.</p>

<p>Ok. Whatever…:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>That’s what I was asking too. Does Collegialmom think that only those who are in the trenches working with the “disenfranchized” in the urban ghetto can have a valid opinion on this case? And like poetsheart says, what does urban have to do with Jena? Do I have to be in Jena to understand or opine about a racial injustice? Does this only happen in Jena? Look how a case of nooses was carried out near where Teriwtt lives in Chicago…quite differently at that school system and legal jurisdiction. Should we only comment on what goes on in our own little worlds? Can’t we be more worldly than that? </p>

<p>Collegialmom, if you work in the trenches, that’s really great, truly. You have not said what you do. </p>

<p>Poetsheart is a Black woman. Is she allowed to have an opinion? Does that count? I’m just wondering. </p>

<p>I respect your opinions, Collegialmom, and it is OK if your opinions differ from mine or others here. This is a discussion board. You have put down those who live in either weathy suburbs or in pretty rural NE villages as not having opinions that are meaningful in this subject. Those kinds of remarks are less conducive to meaningful discussions. CC represents a cross section of America and the discussions are open to anyone, whether or not they are in the trenches.</p>

<p>Collegialmom, </p>

<p>I highly value your opinion. I found myself re-reading post #174 and others and taken to heart how on-target they are and how well you communicated them.</p>

<p>This board can use your counter-points very much, although I am not sure many in this thread feel same way about me.</p>

<p>Couldnt count. Its #241 that I’ve been rereading, among others.</p>

<p>oh no edvest. All povs are welcome. It’s very important on these passionate social issue or political issue threads to really get thick-skinned though. If someone says they don’t like a pov, they are not saying they don’t like the person, just the pov. Ya know?</p>

<p>Love the poster, hate the post?</p>

<p>lol cartera…there ya go. absolutely right.</p>

<p>Hate the post is too heated. We can agree to disagree.</p>

<p>always yourworld. When it’s said and done, that’s the ultimate respect…‘agreeing to disagree’. </p>

<p>There have been too many occasions here on CC in recent months where people are accused of attacking when they are merely disagreeing. Worse than disagreement is quashing of legitimate discussion by those accusations. </p>

<p>Personally, I hope that everyone knows that while I may ‘hate the post’, but I will never ever hate the poster. I know MOST here feel this way.</p>

<p>“What does anyone’s views, or prior experience on black culture and urban issues have to do with their ability to clearly analyse the succession of events that occured in Jena, LA?”</p>

<p>The specifics may vary, but I think past experiences do affect our undertanding of events like this. If you grew up in a small town in the South, you probably had some experiences that impact what you think about these events, for example. I would suggest that if you grew up in a very different setting–highly urban, or a place without different racial groups, for example–you may have had experiences that will cause you to misinterpret some of the things that are happening.</p>

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<p>Has anyone seen this??
Who would do this to a child??
What happens when the children go back home and demonstrate on each other what they were taught at school??</p>

<p>Wow! Unbelievable… makes no sense. Just when you think you’ve seen everything. Un-freaking- believable!</p>

<p>Civil rights hero back in jail where he belongs.</p>

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<a href=“http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g_B895UEtV38cUvZWav9zg08hh3QD8S7S2V00[/url]”>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g_B895UEtV38cUvZWav9zg08hh3QD8S7S2V00&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Hmm, looks like this kid is a real winner. </p>

<p>Sharpton should be spending his time trying to draft an apology to the Duke lacrosse players he trashed before getting involved in another case where he is obviously supporting the wrong side (yet again).</p>

<p>This is nothing new. Everyone who knew the facts of the Jena case knew the kid had prior arrests, and no one on this board said he should go unpunished, just fairly treated in the judicial system. And I also don’t recall anyone on this board calling him a hero. A couple of people (myself included) referred to the freshman boy who asked during an assembly if blacks could sit under this tree as a hero for being brave enough (not only as a freshman, but a black kid who probably knew he was up against a racist community) to try to point out the big elephant in the middle of the living room. I don’t know about others here, but I know no freshman, who in the first week or two of school, would so publicly call into question an absurdly held practice of segregation and racism.</p>

<p>Of come on now, Teriwtt! You should know better by now that to interrupt Razorsharp, when she is dancing with glee.:wink: After all, this whole thing in Jena is only about Mychal Bell, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson…Isn’t it?:rolleyes:</p>

<p>Those black folks in Jena were just looking for racism where none exists. :(</p>

<p>Actually, that should be tap dancing with glee – my favorite form of dance. Can’t stand ballroom dance, BTW.</p>

<p>Tap dancing while whistling Dixie, you mean;)</p>

<p>Your cuteness is starting to wear off. Careful.</p>

<p>There was a time when you found me “cute”? Wow, I’m flattered. LOL!</p>