The Kevin Spacey Thread

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MSNBC definitely covered both Halperin (former MSNBC host) and Spacey this weekend. And it was trending on Twitter most of the weekend with intense backlash by liberals.

What got the most backlash though is the fact that the news was conflating his “coming out” with Rapp’s accusations. The connection is disgusting: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-spacey-coming-out-media_us_59f6f4c7e4b07fdc5fbf2ff5

Yeah, it’s not being covered now because there’s a much bigger story today.

If you’re not seeing the outrage, you’re not paying attention.

ETA: Oh look, one specifically about Hollywood: http://www.wisn.com/article/celebrity-reactions-kevin-spacey-sexual-advances-anthony-rapp/13118762

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Kevin Spacey is a sexual predator and he’s been doing this stuff for years. There’s plenty of stories where he has flirted/tried to have hookups with younger men. Kevin Spacey sexually harassed my cousin a few years ago when he was in his early twenties. My cousin coached Spacey in a sport, and eventually Spacey began to flirt with my cousin. He would take him out for drinks and call/text him repeatedly. It got to the point where my cousin had to tell his manager at the facility he worked at to never to let Spacey know about his whereabouts. I’m sure there are countless other stories like this.

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Having some insider info from the environs of the Baltimore filming peeps - just crew members kvetching that KS only wanted good looking young men to be set PAs and all - makes me think there might be more stories coming out.

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The poster meant a certain slice of the population will use this as a “living proof” evidence in support their favorite ugly position that gay = predator.

Disgusting.

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A good article.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41802060

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So disgusting. Any career ending of these individuals pales to what the victims have had to endure for all these years. But it’s a start.

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I’m wondering why this story is such a big deal, is it because it’s such a well known actor? I have no doubt there is far more and far worse to come, he sounds like a scumbag. However, the guy laid down on top of him, made an aggressive move on the kid, who was able to leave. It wasn’t rape or attempted rape. I’ll bet you most teenage girls have had this or worse happen to them. Where’s their story?

I just want to know why this case deserves such attention. I guess maybe you need a famous celebrity to make a move on you to make the headlines.

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To add, I don’t know why there is such a preoccupation with actors and actresses. Where are all the people telling their stories about politicians? It’s been pretty quiet in that regard, and you know there is abuse all over the place with politicians.

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It’s getting attention, imo, because 1- he’s famous (obvious) but 2- because he used this to “come out” and the media ran with it. The backlash is why it blew up.

We’ve had a fascination with Hollywood, politics, and their sex lives (consensual and otherwise) for at least a century.

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“I’m wondering why this story is such a big deal, is it because it’s such a well known actor? I have no doubt there is far more and far worse to come, he sounds like a scumbag. However, the guy laid down on top of him, made an aggressive move on the kid, who was able to leave. It wasn’t rape or attempted rape. I’ll bet you most teenage girls have had this or worse happen to them. Where’s their story?”

If Rapp had been 18 or even 17 (age of consent in NY) I don’t think this would be as big a deal. But he was 14, a child. That’s a whole other ball game.

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Maybe that’s it. I think he was trying to deflect when he turned it into a coming out story.

I suspect there’s a horrendous flood of pediophilia stories coming out of Hollywood soon.

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Corey Feldman said that he was working to release the names of Hollywood pedophiles… but he “needs funding” to do it (make it into a movie). http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-corey-feldman-hollywood-pedophiles-1509372721-htmlstory.html

When I was younger, I used to spend a lot of time around movie sets and whatnot because a close relative was a producer. In hindsight, I heard people make off-hand remarks that I now know to be references to the sexual pressures that went on behind barely-closed doors - for both adults and children.

I wish more than anything that I remembered who was the subject of those conversations but I just don’t. I was too young and it wasn’t really committed to memory.

I’d ask my relative who I was with but 1- we’re not on speaking terms and 2- he has an interest in keeping his mouth shut.

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I am interested in what Corey Feldman has to say. However, he seems to want to monetize it…which seems a little creepy. If you want to make it public, do it. Why do you have to use it to get back in the spotlight, get some money, and make a movie out of it? I dunno, maybe I’ll feel differently after hearing more details.

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Pursuing a minor sexually…carrying the minor into a bedroom, jumping on top of the minor…who is 14 and you are old enough to know better…that is pedophile material.

Especially when everybody all over Hollywood knows that you’ve been doing it for years.

Look at all of the backlash at Harvey Weinstein and the heinous things he’s coerced women to do. Look at the heinous things he’s forced women into. Some who were minors at the time.

ALL of it is awful. It’s wrong when the sexual attacker is a man attacking a woman. It’s wrong when it’s a woman attacking a man. It’s wrong when a man is sexually assaulting another man. It’s wrong when a woman does it to another woman. And it’s even more wrong when any of those adults do it to a minor…regardless of the adult’s sexual orientation.

Kevin Spacey picked absolutely the worst way to come out of the closet.

Hollywood actors, actresses, producers, directors, etc…they can all go pound sand as far as I’m concerned. The town is full of a bunch of hypocrites. Thank goodness for people like Rose McGowan and others who came forward and started to blow the lid on the whole stinking mess.

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@busdriver11 The most common time a woman is killed by her abusive partner is when she has finally spoken up and tried to get protection.

Corey Feldman has said there was a recent attempt on his life. He says he needs personal security protection and legal representation. He is trying to figure out how to afford that, not how to profit: The case is hugely expensive–he’s risking not just his privacy, autonomy, finances, and future work, but his life.

Corey Feldman isn’t “monetizing” (as you say) his public testimony of personal experience and witness to child rape in the entertainment business. Instead–as for many reporting victims–child sexual abuse cost him innocence, his reputation, and legal defense expenses (defamation, you name it–lawsuits at a plaintiff!).

Sexual abusers defend themselves very aggressively. The court (and media) can provide opportunity for a secondary stage of symbolic rape by a wealthy, well-connected defendant.

Abusers often rely on controlling perceptions of themselves; are adept at hiding their behavior for years; and count on the denial and disbelief of bystanders: They desperately don’t want their “audience” of supporters and sycophants to believe the allegations.

Such crimes usually happen in secret, where the only witness is the victim (and on occasion in Corey’s statements, another child witness.) Thus the abuser and their legal representatives’ tactic is full scale character assassination of any witness or complainant, the more vicious the better: A complete legal turnaround–an offensive defense. Whatever they think will turn witnesses’ testimony to jelly, sky’s the limit. That’s why many witness fold and retract.

Testifying against such entitled criminals–who are used to crossing boundaries, covering up, lying, cruelty, and manipulation–can be hugely expensive. A victim or witness for victim may find him/her/themselves in the position of needing to defend against all kinds of retaliation–not only reputation loss, but also threats, intimidation, lawsuits, and (ironically) social opprobrium. Against the victim!

Criminals who inflict themselves on minors and others sexually are very dangerous. They will do anything to hide their crimes.

Contrary to popular belief, there’s no profit in reporting child sexual abuse or rape. In fact, only 3% of men accused of child sexual abuse are ever imprisoned.

Reporting is hugely expensive and may cost the ultimate sacrifice–for only the rarest outcome of justice.

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@busdriver11, Anthony Rapp was 14 so any attempt to sexually coerce him was attempted rape.

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Wanda Sykes was absolutely right. It was wrong of Spacey to even mention that he’s gay. What does that have to do with what he did?! Not to mention the fact that everyone already knew he was gay.

And @eyemamom , seriously?

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“Pursuing a minor sexually…carrying the minor into a bedroom, jumping on top of the minor…who is 14 and you are old enough to know better…that is pedophile material.”

I think this it’s unclear if this was pedophilla Spacey was, according to Rapp, drunk …in his own bedroom…in his own home and finds a young person who has come to a party unaccompanied and appears to be waiting for him in his bedroom after everyone has gone home. (he didn’t carry him there…Rapp says he was in bedroom for a long time because he was bored. Rapp stood up in that room and Spacey carried him “like a bridegroom” a few feet onto the bed.). Rapp says he knew he was gay at the time and thus possibly physically mature. That’s not true pedophillia. It is however terrible judgment and because Rapp was a minor, assault. And Spaceys statement was very inappropriate.

If more stories of assault of minors come out, we can call it pedophile behavior.

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I still wonder where Rapp’s parents were.

Busdriver the issue was the age 14. No one cares if Spacey likes young men in their 20’s.

I also am interested in Feldman’s story. I read an article that he told the police that Michael Jackson never molested him and in fact that Michael was not a pedophile. He claims to have given the police a list of names and says they were not interested. They only had interest in Jackson.

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“ the issue was the age 14. No one cares if Spacey likes young men in their 20’s”

Exactly. If Rapp had been 18+ and was as Rapp was apparently waiting in another mans bedroom after others had left a party, Spaceys actions would have been no big deal.

I do wonder if Spacey knew his age. Actors were often cast to play teens when they were in fact much older. Look at Ralph Macchio who was in his 20s during Katate Kid. Would it be crazy to assume that someone out very late at night at clubs and parties with no one accompanying them was older? Spacey is in the end was responsible for his actions which were legally assault. But I can’t brand him a pedophille based on one incident that happened the way this victim reported it. If more stories follow of assaults of minors that would change things.