The 33% who say it makes no difference creep me out, too. That was my point.
@busdriver11 I saw blacks & whites friendly at work & school with each other too. But not really outside of those environments. It’s like folks went their seperate ways. There seemed to be an invisible line that wasn’t crossed but could most definitely be seen on the weekends, especially Sundays at church. Very different from growing up in San Francisco where diversity is a way of life…My own wedding had an international theme because my friends & family are from all over the world.
Regarding @alh 's comment about 1/2 of BAMA’s students being from OOS and the culture…50% of those students (whatever their race) are from AL & may accept the culture of the deep south just as their parents & grandparents do. Also, the surrounding area of a college matters to me. At some point my son will need to leave campus…get groceries, go to the mall, movies, out to eat, to the airport, etc. The culture of the surrounding community matters.
Not sure what Alabama’s racial attitudes have to do with religious or non-religious views of statutory rape and Roy Moore.
I’d think most white and black people think it’s appropriate to punish rapists, but have varied feelings about their black/white/other neighbors.
It may be that a rapist is going to be excused there because even if they believe he did this, it’s more important to get a conservative court or whatever. But race has nada to do with that, I think.
Now if this were a black accused rapist politician, or a black victim, then this might be relevant.
Might make you gag, but that was basically what she supposedly said in the Wapo article and unfortunately that happens to women when well intentioned friends can start to make them feel “bad” about what happened. If she was only telling her friends she was hanging out with an older man, her friends would have no idea that she was involve in anything like she says happened…they may not have known what was happening.
That’s not what she said. She said she wanted to get away form him when he tried to get her to fondle him. She didn’t think it was “just fine until her friends told her it wasn’t”. If you’ve read something different please share @momofthreeboys .
^Calling it rape is a little extreme, don’t you think? I don’t think the law would call it that.
@OHMomof2 I agree…race has absolutely nothing to do with this pedophile. I didn’t want to expound on those parts of my AL experiences…but felt more context was needed.
@momofthreeboys I almost get the impression from your replies that you feel the girl is at fault somehow…
My post about possible ways of verifying was only intended to point out some objective, impartial means of verifying her claims, not saying that I didn’t believe her story. Nothing like that ever happened to me, but I have no reason to doubt Ms. Corfman. What possible motivation does she have to subject herself to public scrutiny, humiliation and scorn if this wasn’t true? I do believe her but it wouldn’t make any difference if I lived in Alabama because I wouldn’t be voting for him anyway.
I know you’re all about the false accusations, @momofthreeboys, but really? She said she was uncomfortable at the time and asked to be taken home. If she was loving it, why would she want to leave? Why are you finding her account so hard to believe?
@sylvan8798 - I think it falls under statutory rape, which is rape, no? Or are you saying the lack of penetration is what makes it “a little extreme” to call it rape?
Maybe I need to be educated, here. I thought rape meant penetration. You mean touching people over their clothes is considered rape? So if someone was to smack someone on their rear end, they are guilty of rape? Or if you accidentally brushed against a woman’s breast, you accidentally raped her?
@busdriver11 I googled “statutory rape”. It isn’t only penetration, but also covers sexual assault.
“Most legislatures include statutory rape provisions in statutes that punish a number of different types of sexual assault. Statutory rape is different from other types of rape in that force and lack of consent are not necessary for conviction. A defendant may be convicted of statutory rape even if the complainant explicitly consented to the sexual contact and no force was used by the actor. By contrast, other rape generally occurs when a person overcomes another person by force and without the person’s consent.”
But, I’m definitely not a criminal attorney.
“Sexual contact” seems to be the key term though of course statutory rape laws, like all rape laws, vary by state.
It varies from state to state. California. for example, recently amended its rape statutes in the wake of the notorious Stanford swimmer assault to include other forms of assault as rape. How those amendments will be interpreted [since they appear inconsistent in places with other statutes] will be up to the courts, and I have not checked to see if they apply to the separate crime of unlawful sexual intercourse [known elsewhere as statutory rape].
This is really an irrelevant issue, in my opinion. If the offense is not categorized as statutory rape, it’s another crime.
If you’re really interested, read California Penal Code sections 286, 288a, and 289 for the various offenses of sodomy, oral copulation, and sexual penetration that have different punishments depending on the age of the victim – and there’s always good old section 288, which covers lewd sexual acts with a child up to age 16. It does not have to be the penis in the vagina to be a crime.
I have no knowledge of Alabama law, but “Judge” Moore is lucky he’s not in my state.
Under Alabama law, the described acts would be sexual assault in the first degree. In Alabama, rape requires penetration.
Supposedly? It’s not a state secret what the story says. You don’t have to take someone else’s word. Just read the article. The Washington Post lets people read 10 free articles a month. Let me excerpt from it. I’ll put some bold in.
The article goes on to say, “After talking to her friends, Corfman says, she began to feel that she had done something wrong and kept it a secret for years.”
So, clearly, she says that she never wanted this sexual contact. Like many victims, afterwards she began to think that it was her fault, even though it was not her fault that Moore, an adult, molested her, a child.
@“Cardinal Fang” I don’t want to get into an argument here over legal niceties [or the opposite of niceties] but it depends how Alabama defines “sexual contact” and “forcible compulsion” whether the alleged acts would be sexual assault in the first degree in violation of their Criminal Code section 13A-6-66.
And I will not subject all of you nice people to the rather graphic California definition of “penetration.” (See People v. Quintana (2001) 89 Cal.App.4th 1362; People v. Karsai (1982) 131 Cal.App.3d 224.)
The pages I’m seeing say that in Alabama, sexual contact can be prosecuted as statutory when the alleged victim is under the age of consent, which she was.
@AboutTheSame I haven’t read all of the articles about this situation. Couple of questions…Is there a statute of limitations? And could the DA file charges?
He can’t be criminally prosecuted for this anymore according to everything I’ve read.