<p>So, good looks, social grace and sports ability allows a college student to wear the HYP apparel without bragging about the affiliation, but everyone else is insecure about their looks and generally *wow-ness *and dons said apparel because they are status elitist academic nerds and social losers. </p>
<p>Good to know since I graduated from a state university. Got to be able to assess you folks at a glance.</p>
<p>Any similar absolute character connections? What connects up to intergrity, honesty, stuff like that at HYP?</p>
<p>What happens if one of the “haves” is in a car wreck and goes through the windshield and loses the right stuff? If afterwards he or she wears the apparel, is it bragging? Help out an old state school graduate here. These are important issues.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Dogs don’t have the same system. Or at least I don’t think so. If they do have, I guess you can tell the “have” dogs because their S**t doesn’t stink, at least in their own opinion.</p>
<p>^^^No, no, no. The “have” dogs s**t DOES smell. Only loser dogs have unsmelly droppings. </p>
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<p>My mother has mobility and pain issues, and I have to be very very careful when driving her somewhere to make the ride as smooth as possible. I’m now thinking that it would be an excellent idea for my parents to give up their Toyota and get a Mercedes.</p>
<p>Like I said, motives can vary and I personally don’t care what their motives are. However, yes, but more likely than not, those who don’t have the intelligent disposition, genuine confidence, social grace, and looks are donning those shirts to brag IF they’re outside of HYP spaces.</p>
<p>As for the person who lost parts of her memory, same thing once she re-learns what HYP signify. She would be making a statement, just as somebody who wears an Obama shirt would be making a statement (whether he realizes it or not). Now you can say the person wearing the Obama shirt is wearing it “just because” (that can certainly happen, maybe the dog ate all his other shirts and he had to borrow one, and that was the only one available), but it’s more likely than not that he’s wearing it because he’s an Obama fan and wants to show that to the world.</p>
<p>Well, I’m willing to bet that some of the Princeton students who don’t meet your definition of having looks and social grace surpass those who do in the catagories of intelligent disposition and genuine confidence. </p>
<p>So, if you see a pretty boy or girl in Princeton apparel off campus, you cannot make assumptions about bragging unless you also know their intelligent disposition and genuine confidence levels, right?</p>
<p>So, what happens after graduation? I can see that pretty boys and girls with social graces but low intelligent disposition and genuine confidence levels might struggle for work where high intelligent disposition and genuine confidence, but plain and socially less adept graduates would thrive. </p>
<p>What are your thoughts on that? Doesn’t the good looks “pass” get trumped by intelligence and confidence? </p>
<p>Seems to me, he or she who laughs last, laughs best.</p>
<p>BTW–in my example, there is no memory loss, just loss of looks, physical motor skills and poise due to the injury, You know, all the self esteem traits.</p>
<p>No one thinks that someone wearing a t-shirt is “bragging” unless said person is insecure in the first place. </p>
<p>If my handsome, athletic, full-of-social graces nephew brings home a not-so-good looking friend from Princeton, and they go to the movies, and they both wind up wearing Princeton t-shirts, is it that my nephew is merely wearing his, but the ugly friend must be bragging?</p>
<p>When my kids got into their schools (which are pretty decent, too, even though they aren’t Princeton!!), my SIL (mother of said nephew) was kind enough to call up the schools’ bookstores and order a sweatshirt for each of my kids, which arrived within the next day or two and thrilled them to no end to begin to wear “their” school’s stuff. Little did I know she must have just thought they were ugly and needed the help. LOL.</p>
<p>Intelligent disposition and genuine confidence can be gauged by an outside observer though. I said before that good-looking people not blessed with the intelligent disposition and genuine confidence could be using HYP name to compensate as well.</p>
<p>Plain and socially less adept people could certainly thrive, no doubt. And many many of them, perhaps because of their successes, do not have to brag about their HYP affiliation to have high self-esteem. However, there are a few who are insecure (I have to say most who wear HYP and are ugly DO/DID NOT EVEN GO TO THOSE PLACES IN THE FIRST PLACE). If you compare this group too those who are simultaneously genuinely confident, good-looking, socially graceful, and who look/act intelligent to boot, the insecure ones are more likely to wear the HYP shirts for an ego boost.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, again I’m not talking about ABSOLUTES but PROBABILITIES. Sure the scenarios you lay out are very much possible, but there are likelier scenarios.</p>
<p>So how does a good looking Princetonian with social graces and an intelligent disposition behave when approached by an ugly guy wearing a Princeton sweatshirt? Do you look the other way and pretend not to notice? What happens if you’re forced to speak to him? Do you try to hide your distain? </p>
<p>Surely your social graces would prevent you from overtly sneering and rolling your eyes.</p>
<p>I typically approach people wearing Princeton apparel when it’s convenient but most of the time (like 80% of the time), the person has no direct affiliation with Princeton or they supposedly got in but couldn’t attend (but are still clearly proud of their admission). I even caught several in a lie-- they said they go there, but when I asked them details about Princeton that somebody in their alleged position would know (as in it should be common knowledge for them), they couldn’t answer me.</p>
<p>As a caveat, I’ve met Princeton people from clubs randomly, as in we introduced ourselves to each other as strangers and I find out they go to Princeton. Very close to 100% of the people I met this way (and they fit the criteria) weren’t wearing Princeton apparel.</p>
<p>07Dad, I know that was meant to be a slight (if you thought I’m a recent grad who’s jobless). But I’m here to tell you: I’m a current student AND employed to boot.</p>
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