<p>Yates was psychotic, the most this person’s associates came up with was that he may have a diagnosis of bipolar. That is a VERY different profile for mental illness, and for criminal defense. </p>
<p>I don’t think it is established that he was taking his medication. I also think he declared himself Muslim when he shot innocent workers at the Jewish Federation.</p>
<p>Are you down playing the seriousness of being bipolar?</p>
<p>Yes you are too young for the Israeli Army at this point and anyhow would have to have extensive training prior to being sent in to fight anywhere.</p>
<p>Where do you want to go to college?</p>
<p>Bipolar has a very broad spectrum, and is not as likely to lead to the type of severe dissassociative behavior that psychosis can.</p>
<p>No I am very sympathetic to those with bipolar disease, but it is not pychosis, unless there are concurrent diagnoses. I think it is beyond the scope of this board to have an extended discussion of the various forms of mental illness.</p>
<p>The other thing that makes a comparison between Andrea Yates and these more recent Seattle killings not straightforward is that there have already been so many facts and psychiatry testimony in the Yates case, and the verdict is in. </p>
<p>All that has been presented in the Seattle case so far has been hearsay presented in the media from the killer’s friends, acquaintances and family. </p>
<p>In addition, there is a lot of difference between a woman with (postpartum) psychosis killing her children and someone with 2 semiautomatic rifles aiming at strangers he targeted only because they work at the Jewish Federation.</p>
<p>lets not forget that this is a part of a string of attacks on jewish interests in the diaspora and this seems pre-meditated and done in the name of islam. It irrelvant that this guy was christian it is relevant that he is a muslim. This is just another terrorist attack against jews</p>
<p>well i would have to do basic training then maybe i would stay in israel and man checkpts or maybe even do some operations in gaza, judea or samaria, and possibly after that in lebanon. I want to go to mcgill, cornell, nyu, or hebrew university in jerusalem</p>
<p>“It irrelvant that this guy was christian it is relevant that he is a muslim. This is just another terrorist attack against jews”</p>
<p>It is apparent from your posts that you’re anti-Muslim, isn’t that hypocritical because you’re so against people being Anti-jewish? (and a semite is anyone from the mideast region, so wouldn’t being anti-semite mean being against arabs too?)</p>
<p>Ditto Me_.</p>
<p>Skis, your opining on this subject is becoming offensively xenophobic, and I am close to alerting the mods if you do not cease and desist with these anti-Muslim diatribes.</p>
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<p>I think that the research and literature support the proposition that psychosis is not at all uncommon in individuals with bipolar disorder.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-178.htm[/url]”>http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-178.htm</a></p>
<p>As I understand it, the term “psychosis” is used simply to describe particular symptoms, not their underlying cause. Psychotic symptoms can be caused by different disorders - one of which is bipolar illness.</p>
<p>go ahead report it to the mods. I have not said one anti-muslim thing on this board. Everything i have said is backed up by fact. How is the fact that the shooter is muslim not important. It became important when the shooter himself brought islam into it. Had it been some muslim guy who had some quarrel and went it killed the jew then fine. But he killed the jews in the NAME OF ISLAM and because they were JEWISH. This was a terror attack. I do not know what is so anti-muslim about this. There are jewish terrorists too. And when they commit terrorism they are known as jewish terrorists cause they do it in the name of judaism such as baruch goldstien. He was a jewish terrorist. He killed muslims in the name of judaism. Also anti-semitic ONLY refers to anti-jewish despite the meaning of semitic.</p>
<p><a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/279621_shootingfolo01.html[/url]”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/279621_shootingfolo01.html</a></p>
<p>why are guns so easy to get?</p>
<p>RPI can’t win this summer. First Christie Brinkley’s cheating husband and now this…</p>
<p>Rampage suspect is RPI graduate </p>
<p>The 30-year-old Muslim man accused in last week’s fatal shooting rampage at a Jewish agency in Seattle graduated near the top of his class at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 1998.</p>
<p>Naveed Afzal Haq of Pasco, Wash., is accused of killing one woman and wounding five other people at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Haq, the son of Pakistani immigrants, allegedly told police he attacked the office because he was angry at Jews and at the United States.</p>
<p>Killed in the attack was 58-year-old Pamela Waechter.</p>
<p>RPI officials said they were shocked at the news that the former student, who had graduated cum laude, could have perpetrated the attack.</p>
<p>“It’s obviously a very sad thing,” said spokeswoman Allison Newman. She said a number of programs have been made available for students in need of counseling</p>
<p>Bi-polar is the key word there, kluge. Bi-polar with major psychotic break would be my guess. My bi-polar brother cannot go to church or get involved with any religious activities because his racing mind cannot handle grandiose thoughts of any kind. He has had a dozen psychotic breaks in the past twenty years, all requiring months of hospitalization. </p>
<p>The other descriptions were incendiary.</p>
<p>Well, Cheers, I’m inclined to agree. I don’t think “Muslim” or “evangelical Christian” or “Jews” are the relevant factors, despite skisaloman89’s opinion that the test for relevance is “whether something fits with my opinions or not.” I also don’t think the Christian issues involved in the Yates case were “relevant”. The “crazy as a loon” factor kind of trumps them all, as far as I can see. The Muslim-Israel conflict was the excuse in Seattle; “God hates me” in Texas, but I’m inclined to believe that the craziness would have found another outlet if those handy excuses weren’t available.</p>
<p>I guess the point I was trying to make is that it’s very easy to plug an event into our preconcieved world view and ignore everything that doesn’t fit. A lot of the time it’s just not that simple. And this looks, to me, like one of those times.</p>
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<p>“Delusions of religious grandiosity” aren’t uncommon in people who have bipolar disorder.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.schizophrenia.com/stanfordtalks/diffdiag.html[/url]”>http://www.schizophrenia.com/stanfordtalks/diffdiag.html</a></p>
<p>So you feel that this shooter who incidentally was a jew-hating muslim accidently happened to stumble upon a jewish federation building, happen to coincidently kill some jews, and while this was going on he just felt like saying, ofcourse this has no correlation to anything else, something about hating israel and him being muslim. But these events are random, coincidental, and not connected and thus, if this is the case, are irrelevant. So then this should be treated as your typical murder not an act of terror/hate crime</p>
<p>I haven’t been following all of this real closely - so forgive me in advance if this is off-base - but it seems to me that this discussion may be getting bogged down in a false dichotomy: that the roots of this crime lie in either this guy’s antipathy toward Jews or in his mental illness. Why couldn’t it be both?</p>
<p>Lots of people hate members of other religious and ethnic groups. Only a very small percentage of them ever kill someone because of it. Likewise, lots of people have bipolar illness (estimates run from 1%-4% of the population). And only a small percentage of them ever become violent. In this case, it may have been the combination of these two factors that caused this guy to act in this fashion.</p>
<p>Put another way, it may be that both factors were necessary here - both contributed to this result - and that neither was independently sufficient.</p>
<p>That is a definate possiblity. Although if it were a crime from bi polarism i think it would ahve been much more random than a specifically targeted building. Also he would have shot on sight instead of waiting for someon to punch a security code in. He turned himself in also which shows he knows what he was doing and how it was illegal and wrong.</p>
<p>Stop making sense Ski. You’ll cause the apologists to rise up with more convoluted theories.</p>