The "Muslim jew-shooter" in Seattle was a bipolar evangelical Christian

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<p>Bi-polar does not equal “wack job”. Guys who say their dog told them to kill are wack jobs. Guys who calmy state their reasons for the action are just lacking perspective and basic human values.</p>

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<p>The thing is that we are attributing “our” values to someone whose human values may just be totally different from ours. In their society, it may be justified and valid to kill people in order to further the shared values that they hold dear. I don’t understand why we continue to see these terrorists as nice people who want the same things we do. They don’t.</p>

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<p>There are the values of those that for self-protection, or furthering own needs, feel it is unavoidable that others will die in the quest</p>

<p>Is the motivation the most important factor, even though the end result is the same> for those with mental disorders or not?</p>

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<p>CGM wrote: “Is the motivation the most important factor, even though the end result is the same> for those with mental disorders or not?”</p>

<p>I’m really not sure if the motivation is relevant unto itself, but, rather, helpful in finding a solution and stopping the carnage. Althought, sometimes the motivation being whatever it is, a solution can not be found.</p>

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<p>Victor Davis Hanson on the “real story” behind the Seattle shooter:</p>

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<a href=“http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=[/url]”>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>absolutely. Many people are bi-polar and they dont kill. Its not an excuse, we have to stop making forgiving these people and thinking up justifications for their actions. The man who shot those jews was a dog for his murders and he deserves the death penalty.</p>

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<p>It’s fascinating to me to read the opinions of people who are able to see the world in comic-book black and white. Barrons can distill mental illness down to whether your dog talks to you or not; the National Review guy knows eveything you need to know about current affairs just by time traveling back to 1938, etc. If human existence was as easy as that you could solve every problem in the world in the time it takes to watch the Simple Life - and Paris Hilton would be the US Ambassador to the UN. (Come to think of it… no, don’t go there.) </p>

<p>In fact, most huge errors in judgment come from just such a simplistic view of the world, which in turn beget numerous additional problems through the operation of the Rule of Unintended Consequences. Is the true lesson 1938, or 1968? Or 1914? Or 1945? Or 1985? Or is this situation just a little bit different than all of the others? Certainly a tipoff to the end of reasoned thought is the coining of such meaningless neologisms as “islamofascist” to replace consideration of the numerous aspects of a world-wide situation involving too many disparate individuals, groups, philosophies and circumstances to encapsulate into a ten-paragraph “analysis.”</p>

<p>As to this guy - yeah, he’s a nut job. Yeah, anti-Jewist sentiment was the justification fro his actions. Does that make him somehow a spokesperson for Muslims everywhere? Do we blame his “conversion” last year to Christianity for his actions or just view it as another symptom? Or do we just accept that nut jobs will go off from time to time, and they will usually seize on some goofball theory to justify it - from the Oklahoma City Bombers to those snipers in Arizona who were allegedly “competing” with each other. Who do you blame that on?</p>

<p>Palestinian suicide bombers? Blame Islamic extremists. Nutjob in Seattle? Probably another excuse would have done as well.</p>

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<p>And you have direct knowledge of his mental condition besides what you heard from his family and defense? I did not think so.</p>

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<p>I’m sorry, Barrons - I was not aware this guy had a lawyer, and you’re quoting his “defense”. Does he even have a lawyer? All I know I what I read in the papers, which have quoted the preacher who “converted” him and some acquaintances. Family? I don’t remember reading about them saying anything of substance. All I really know is that this smelled like a nut job, not a serious “terrorist”, from the get-go. Might not be true, but I wasn’t surprised to read about his “conversion”, his bipolar diagnosis, job-hopping, his depression, etc. Those who leapt to a lot of conclusions about “islamofascism”, “Jew killing”, etc., struck me as a little too eager to pound this square peg into their favorite round hole. Just my opinion, based on very little data.</p>

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<p>Too many question/quotation marks in one post, Kluge. It becomes the cyber-equivalent of “spittle” after two or three. Even your proponents must pick through the punctuation to peg down the primary purpose of your palaver.</p>

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<p>2 question marks, 6 sets of quotes</p>

<p>I think kluge used quotes to show those weren;t his words, but others, otherwise I am sure he would have been chided for using those terms</p>

<p>can’t win for losing with some people</p>

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<p>Those were “thcare quotes,” as Thylvester would say. But props for pushing my point pertaining to the poster’s proponents picking through the punctuation in pursuit of primary purpose. Thuffering thuccotash.</p>

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<p>“Haq’s lawyer, Larry Stephenson, told The Seattle Times that he thought Haq was single and unemployed, and that Haq had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County. Haq had been accused of exposing himself in a public place, Stephenson told The Times.”</p>

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