Hmmmm. I wear dresses to work. Like @DonnaL , less hot in a NYC summer than pants! Winter I typically do too though, so I guess I prefer them. Right now, after a day a gardening, shorts and a Tee. But I would never be caught dead in shorts anywhere but home. I’m not a shots gal. Short legs! I’m a girly girl, which is funny bc I am so masculine in my emotions and dealings with people!
I would not wear the VF clothes, but then Im not being photographed for VF. Maybe I would if I was a famous person seeking to project sexy?
She had the body. And check out the price. Sorry for the OT, but the sundress topic, like makeup, isn’t as easy as “go for it.” And wait, neither is the idea of just throwing on slacks. I think we all range from indulging ourselves in uber-casual and what our real intent is when we get dressy. Really, sorry for the OT.
“Wait, why do you have to be tall and skinny to wear sundresses? Plenty of women wear those, and different styles can flatter different shapes. Maybe you can’t change your body to be tall and skinny, but you could wear sandals with heels, and get a sundress works for your shape.”
I can tell you already I don’t look good in sundresses. I have broad shoulders and do better with a sleeveless look than a spaghetti strap or thin strap look. I also am relatively busty so many dresses make me look matronly. I would also look terrible in maxi-dresses. I don’t think it’s “giving into The Patriarchy” to say that certain things work on me and certain things don’t.
I’ve never worn or been seriously tempted to wear a sundress. I don’t wear long dresses in general, because I’m so short that I think they make me look like a munchkin.
I really very much wish that you (and others) would try to avoid putting things like that. Trans women are women – a subcategory of an overall group – and not a separate category, apart from all other women. If you object to “cis,” just say “non-trans,” as I’ve been doing throughout this thread. I may have taken a different path to get where I am than everybody else, but I’m here now and am not so different from most women my age, physically or in the life I lead.
And the fact remains that trans women generally face the same violence as other women, plus the brutal violence they sometimes face for being trans. Pointing that out doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.
MOST trans women certainly don’t either. But many, if not most, women appearing on the cover of Vanity Fair and similar magazines – not to mention most women in Caitlyn Jenner’s own family! – certainly very much do. But people don’t generally point at them and say that they’re not real women, or extrapolate from their appearance to condemn all non-trans women. It’s every bit as absurd and illogical to draw negative conclusions about Jenner’s authenticity as a woman (or the authenticity of trans women in general) from this one example, as it would be to draw broad conclusions about any other woman from a single example of appearing on a magazine cover.
Finally, my body isn’t anything like Jenner’s – or the body of any other woman who appears on magazine covers – and although I get a little wistful sometimes about my abject failure to meet conventional American standards of female attractiveness, I don’t really personally resent her (or them) for that at all. Anyway, it isn’t really so much “easier” for trans women to fit that tall, skinny model ideal than it is for non-trans women: I think that the percentage of all trans women who look like that (never mind having the facial beauty) is probably every bit as tiny as the percentage of non-trans women. (Andreja Pejic is really the only one I know of who fits the ideal in all respects.) Of course trans women are generally taller than the average non-trans women, but if they’ve gone through male puberty, the chances are that their shoulders and arms and hands and feet are going to be far less likely to meet the ideal than those of non-trans women, no matter how tall and skinny they are. (Hormones can change fat distribution patterns around the waist and hips rather significantly, by the way – they did for me – so it’s not even so easy to stay that skinny. Unless one starves oneself, like plenty of non-trans models do.)
Well, romani, you’ve never tried it! Check out http://shop.nuu-muu.com/ . These are absolutely not for everyone, but the site gives you an idea of how versatile an athletic dress can be. I wear mine for running, over jeans, and to work with a blazer, tights and boots. These dresses have become sort of a cult thing and there is a “Team Nuu Muu” facebook group that is terrific!
Caitlyn Jenner was also an athlete of the highest order. She worked hard for that body and for her athletic accomplishments. If I worked out / trained that way, I’d have a smoking hot body too.
Those dresses look really cute, however, when I go running it is often in rather isolated parks. I leave everything figure fitting and flattering in my closet, for when I go running/hiking with my husband. I won’t even wear headphones, so I can hear what is around me.
Well, I am sure Ms Jenner looks nothing at all like the images of herself that appear on magazine covers. Like in every celebrity photoshoot, the computer is more important than the real body or the camera.
@sorghum- I suspect you are right about that, even without retouching photos in how they are lighted and framed also change the way someone looks. I have seen pictures of some drag performers (not doing over the top drag), and seen them in person, and it is two different things.Plus in real life, Ms. Jenner’s body likewise will make her stand out that may not be as flattering, things like her shoulder size, her hands, and even her height, tend to draw the eye in ways a photo won’t. Too, I suspect that she is still getting used to being herself, a woman takes a lot of years to find her confidence after the horrors of the pre teen and teen times, and that will affect how she comes off in real life, too:)
“Those dresses look really cute, however, when I go running it is often in rather isolated parks. I leave everything figure fitting and flattering in my closet, for when I go running/hiking with my husband. I won’t even wear headphones, so I can hear what is around me.”
While it’s certainly smart to be aware of your surroundings at all times, someone who is waiting in the park with ill intentions doesn’t really care what you’re wearing. Your posts seem to have a discomfort with the idea of looking nice/ attractive.
I’ve only really seen the cover photo but it is very carefully photographed to make her look more feminine. Sittting(make her look less tall), legs carefully crossed. Arms pulled back so they look narrower and hands hidden because they probably look more masculine. Like so much of modeling, it’s all an illusion. And then it’s photoshopped!
I don’t get the need to tear down the Caitlyn Jenner photo. Gee, every single picture on every single magazine is carefully shot and curated. Yawn. No new news.
It’s a magazine cover by a famous photographer! Of course she’s made up to a fare-the-well, posed just so, lit perfectly, and then no doubt Liebowitz took thousands of shots, picked the best one and did post-processing. That’s how photo shoots work. I love that picture-- movie star glamour.
Thanks, CF! The faux-shock that it’s not a picture of Caitlyn as she’s brushing her teeth with unbrushed hair - enough already. Of course she’s done up! I don’t prance around in corsets, either, but if I were ever notable enough to have Annie Leibowitz photograph, I sure as heck hope the makeup artists and hairstylists and so forth are out in force!