Okay, Madison85, I could waste hours on that site! I like my today name.
Yes, @missiepie, that site is fun!
It needs an upgrade so you can choose a 4th option to switch genders.
I still maintain he couldve waited until the car accident was resolved or a bit more time had passed. It seems a bit insensitive, to be enjoying this and a woman was killed. He may not have been drinking or texting, but he rear ended the car, so he is at fault by default. You have to keep a safe distance from the car in front of you in order to brake in a timely fashion.
I agree, party. A simple press release with basic facts and a statement to respect his privacy would have been the more respectful option. Not a media circus.
I wish Caitlyn the best. You know, there never was going to be a âgood timeâ for this to be announced. Its done, so whether we agree with the timingâŠor notâŠdoesnât really matter.
Iâm sure the other issue will be resolved without any caring about the Vanity Fair article.
Re: the outfit on the cover of Vanity FairâŠI totally expected something like this. I mean reallyâŠits vanity fair, not AARP Magazine.
I am troubled by the car accident too. It is still so unresolved and yet he appears to be exuberantly celebrating his new life while someone elseâs has ended.
âagree, party. A simple press release with basic facts and a statement to respect his privacy would have been the more respectful option. Not a media circus.â
There is no option for him to " retain his privacy". The paparazzi chased him and publicly speculated on his changing appearance. Itâs disingenuous to think that he could have released a statement asking for privacy and had it be respected.
I totally agree, @Pizzagirl. His announcements were necessary, I believe, to forestall some of the nastier press observations.
And 35 years hence, current views may well be seen as wrong or odd.
Of course, Caitlyn Jenner gets to keep her medals. Thatâs what asterisks in record books are for.
But I wonder what would happen if a male athlete with the same level of talent wanted to transition much earlier in life, while still at his athletic peak. I donât think he would be allowed to compete as a woman because he would retain some of the advantages of a male body. But the hormonal therapy might impede his ability to continue to compete at the same level if he wanted to continue to compete as a man â and he probably wouldnât want to compete as a man anyway.
So you could have a person who has to choose between postponing the transition to the gender he identifies with â perhaps for many years â and losing the opportunity to be an Olympic champion.
Wow. That would be a difficult decision.
Back in my day we had the East German women in track with all the steroids and hormones. They were, essentially, men.
Then that would be an improper use of an asterisk. She competed as a male athlete and medaled without the use of HGH or any other banned substance at the time. What she chose to do with her life 39 years later has no effect on her achievements of the past.
The only âCaitlinâ I found from that era was Kitty âCaitlinâ Carruthers, who won Olympic medals for pair skating in the '80s. She was born in 1961 and spelled her name with an i
â99% of all the reported gossip about Jenner in the last 6 months or so has proven false. So pardon me if Iâm skeptical that she was openly âdisappointedâ with her children for not wanting to be part of the new show (complete with profanities)â
I agree that thereâs been a ton of false gossip, but this isnât gossip. Itâs straight from the Vanity Fair interview that accompanied the pictures. I would be extremely surprised to find that Vanity Fair authored incendiary fake quotes in a high-profile article where the subjectâs cooperation and trust is so crucial. It would mess up their whole moment right now if Caitlyn denied these quotes.
âThen that would be an improper use of an asterisk.â
Agreed. As another writer pointed out, no one would write âKareem Abdul-Jabbar won 5 NBA titles and Lew Alcindor won one.â Kareem won 6, even though he competed under a different name at first. This is the same human being, and weâre just using the name he prefers.
I would hope that this forum would be a place to ask questions. And that we could assume that we were asking with the best of intentions to learn and understand. Some may be hypothetical. And that should ok. This seems like a pretty enlightened group. Jenner has been very public with all of this so it seems natural to wonder about some of the details.
I have a good friend that is a lesbian and I have had the opportunity to ask her all kinds of questions about what does it look like to be attracted to a male to female transgender. I am truly curious. And she has helped me understand it from her history and experiences. Her willingness to hear what some of you may deem as stupid questions has helped me - a very straight, always happy that Iâm a woman - relate better so that it doesnât seem so different. This is how we become more accepting, I believe.
The CBS soap âThe Bold and the Beautifulâ has been running a transgender storyline the past few months. A main character (Maya) was born Myron. Maya has been dating the CEO of Forrester Creations and so far, after finding out the news, he is standing by her. It has been a pretty controversial storyline but even people complaining on the message boards are still watching.
The actress who plays Maya was born a woman (she was cast before this plot twist was introduced), but they have introduced a new character as one of Mayaâs friends named Nick, who is played by a transgendered actor. The show has tried to tackle all sides of being transgenderâthe effect on the person him/herself, the family, and the public at large, and misconceptions. The creator of the show has expressed interest in getting Caitlyn Jenner to do a guest spot!
Theyâve been working closely with GLAAD to try and get things right, but it is at the end still a soap opera.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/kara-mosley-plays-female-born-male-article-1.2187735
That âwhat would your name be nowâ website is fun, but the name it selected for me is awful. And that is coming from a person who isnât all that thrilled with their given name. I think its an interesting thing to think about what name we would choose for ourselves, male or female, if we selected our own names rather than having it given to us.
As for the car accident, it is a sad situation, but it is separate from her transition schedule, which has been ongoing for a while. Donât see that continuing this course is disrespectful to the victim of the accident, or that one really has much of anything to do with the otherâŠ
RE: that link to names, I had no idea my name was in the top 10 the year I was born. It is not unique but I rarely, rarely ever meet anyone with it. And my current name would be so very common - Madison. And I never had a classmate with the same name - ever. Yikes.
I agree that itâs nice if there is a place/forum to express curiosity and ask questions because many of us have not had direct experience with a transgender person.
It is natural to wonder about any group of which you are not a part âHow are âtheyâ like me and how are they different?â. âTheyâ may be kids from the rival high school, people in foreign countries where you travel or do business, people of another race or sexual preference. As we live life and encounter people who arenât like us in some way, we find that âtheyâ arenât very different from âusâ and after every such experience, we become more accepting of others.
I have a transgender client and didnât even know it until she was featured in a newspaper articleâŠwhich left me thinking, âhmmâŠokayâŠâ What an ideal introduction I had to the âissueââŠbecause it was a total non-issue and had nothing to do with our relationship.