<p>I repeat, my comment was a satirical allusion to a previous discussion where an entire community was denigrated based on the behavior of a small minority.</p>
<p>Title of that thread: “This does not relect positively on the gay community.”</p>
<p>My satirical comment: “This does not reflect well on the NRA-supporting, married with 3 children, “family values” community.”</p>
<p>But you had no objection to that case. You do not protest the demonization of a cohort whose politics and values you do not share, only those with whom you identify. So your righteous indignation is applied selectively and cannot be taken seriously.</p>
I have a problem with closeted adults who are fighting against gay rights or who act in a bigoted manner toward homosexuals/homosexuality. I don’t care whether the people are Republicans, Democrats, or Independents. In fact, I don’t even care whether or not they’re in politics. Not all Republicans are from the radical right, and not all Democrats are caring, loving, and accepting. Attack the behavior, not the party in cases like this where the two aren’t necessarily connected.</p>
<p>When I said ‘these people with R after their names’ I mean Craig, Allen, Foley, Cunningham, Barr, etc. Specific Republicans with specific agendas who are demonizing in others the behavior they indulge in themselves. Not the whole party. I couldn’t do that…I know too many ordinary Republicans who try very hard to live by their principles. But their leadership grows more hypocritical by the day. Guys running on ‘family values’ who value their families so much they cheat on their wives, spurn their children, and tell us ‘do as we say, not as we do.’</p>
<p>this is a guy in his 60’s for Gds sake…there have been allegations about him for 25 yrs or so…he doesnt want a gay long term relationship or trysts in hotel rooms…what he gets off on is the anonymous cruising act in the public place…and there’s plenty of others like him.In fact, they don’t consider themselves gay…its like the “down low” culture of black men.
H used to have an office window that looked over a highway service road parking area supposedly used for ride sharing parking and casino bound bus pick up parking (LI NY location).He could watch men in cars cruising round and round waiting for signals. They would then park and either go off into the wooded area or get in the others cars. All anonymous,do you think they considered themselves gay? I always feel the biggest pity for the other party in their “normal” relationship that they go home to who have no idea something like this is going on,midday when they are supposed to be working.</p>
Well, your post #13 did not link to the previous thread, so I took it at face value. I never read that thread the first time, so of course the allusion made no sense to me. Even as I read the first few posts on that particular thread from your post #16, the relationship was not clear. It’s quite an assumption to conclude that every poster has read the same threads as you have, and is following whatever oblique logic you use.</p>
<p>So I’ll stand by my post which suggests that it is unfair to make broad generalizations – an example of which is quoted above. You certainly seem to be free and easy about insulting me, based on a thread which I never read. Good grief indeed!</p>
<p>My point is that the personal foibles of any individual should reflect only on that individual. I don’t think it’s fair or even worthy of debate to stigmatize an entire group for individual behavior. </p>
<p>The malicious satisfaction some people take from another’s misfortune is called schadenfreude – which is, of course, the whole point of this thread.</p>
<p>Sjmom, I think that you jumped the gun in your criticism. By the way, just last night, Sean Hannity, once again, referred to the DEMOCRAT PARTY as the home of bad and immoral behavior. Apparently he doesn’t agree with your minimalist approach.</p>
<p>sjmom, I agree that a few bad apples should not taint all Republicans which is why I mentioned Frank and McGreevy, 2 Dems, in my post.</p>
<p>However Repubs do set themselves up for additional criticism when they lay claim to being the party of family values. If you are hetero, a traditional family is great but you had better be faithful to your spouse. If you are gay a non-traditional family would be the ideal and you had better be faithful to your partner.</p>
<p>“So, is the counter argument what mini said? Should all Democrats be demonized as adulterers who commit genocide and sell tickets to the Lincoln bedroom? Wouldn’t that be offensive to Democrats?”</p>
<p>After Madeleine Albright went on national tv, admitted to killing half a million children, and said “we think that’s acceptable”, there was one - ONLY ONE - Democratic member of Congress in the entire nation as far as I am aware, who objected publicly to the Clinton genocide - Dennis Kucinich.</p>
<p>Silence is consent. I call it as I see it.</p>
<p>(As far as I’m concerned, they can share their sperm with anyone they like, as long as they aren’t hypocritical about it. Actually, I don’t mind if they are hypocritcal about it either, but when they get caught, they get what they deserve. But for heaven’s sake, get a hotel room!)</p>
The problem is not sex, or gay sex. People have sex and sometimes they make injudicious or sordid choices along the way. Shrug. Unless it involves underage partners or isn’t consensual, I figure it’s between that person, their spouse or partner (if applicable), and their relationship with God and what He or She thinks of it. </p>
<p>No, the problem is the hypocrisy from within the party of the would-be ayahtollahs. Of course, there are so many jeerworthy attributes of that party, ranging from Iraq to the unprecedented politicization of the Justice Department, to widespread garden-variety corruption (DeLay, Cunningham, Ney, Doolittle, Renzi…how many can <em>you</em> name?), to basic executive competence (start with FEMA and work out from there), that it’s hard to figure which target deserves to be blasted first. Deeply embedded(!!) hypocrisy is just one of them. So many targets, so little time.</p>
<p>Wait a minute! How is Barney Frank a bad guy? He’s not crusing public bathrooms for sex is he? HE’s just GAY. I don’t believe he’s made any attempt to hide that fact from the world has he? </p>
<p>I fail to see the dismissal of someone like Frank because he’s gay as being in the same boat as this Idaho bathroom *******. That is an unfair shot at BFrank. </p>
<p>The replusive aspect of this or even hetero activities is the public bathroom cruising. I don’t think anybody else is thinking of sex when they are relieving themselves at a public bathroom. </p>
<p>There is hypocrisy involved because of the senators anti gay efforts. Very similar to Spokane WA’s mayor who for a decade tried to basically banish gays from the state… turned out to like young men and offered jobs for “dates”.</p>
<p>Read the right side of the article. I think the cop flashed the badge too soon. All Craig is guilty of is an elaborate game of footsie–nothing disorderly about his actions YET. Why he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct is beyond me.</p>
<p>Opie is right. The senator’s protest sounds exactly the same as denials voiced by the late Mayor West of Spokane. Of course, West later “found Jesus” at an African-American congregation and ultimately admitted his repressed attraction. The Senator Craig story may end similarly.</p>
<p>“Craig “represents the Republican party,” said Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the first fellow GOP member of Congress to urge a resignation.”</p>
<p>Note - he doesn’t say this represents the act of individual who happens to be a Republican. He “represents the Republican party”. If Republicans think Craig taints the Republican Party, why should we think differently? </p>
<p>" Why he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct is beyond me."</p>
<p>Because he feared being convicted of the second charge, which, while more serious, might have been easier to prove. </p>
<p>“The replusive aspect of this or even hetero activities is the public bathroom cruising.”</p>
<p>I haven’t seen any heteros cruising in bathrooms. Does this only happen in metrosexual environments?</p>
<p>I just hope that some day he can go home to his loving wife, and a loving gay partner, and live out the rest of his Idaho days with hot sex and peace.</p>
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