The Party of Family Values Rides Again!

<p><a href=“http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/143801.html[/url]”>http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/143801.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>He’s quite a piece of work.</p>

<p>But, seriously, I’d like to take up a collection for Larry for when he retires, so that he can rent a nice hotel room in Eagle, Idaho, and have as much good, hot gay sex in a decent environment as his little lonely achy-breaky gay heart desires. </p>

<p>He can even invite his other friends from the POFV if he likes.</p>

<p>Maybe former Reverend Ted Haggard (of Colorados’s New Life Church) can offer him some consolation? And pass on the number of the counselor that he says cured him and turned him straight in just three weeks. Yes, he swears, he is now 100% heterosexual–God love him!</p>

<p>duh… duh… duh… another one bites the dust</p>

<p>The wonderful details to which he should have never pled guilty are posted on the right side of the article.</p>

<p>The highly monogamous Mitt, Larry’s good friend, has decided that the best thing he can do is compare the lonesome cowboy’s conduct to that of Bill Clinton. Only problem is that, when faced with Bill Clinton, achy-breaky heart called for Clinton’s immediate resignation. </p>

<p>Maybe he can get together with the Florida guy? This is one of those wonderful POFV moments when the star of the show would love to be able to say, “I did indeed have sex with that woman!” ;)</p>

<p>How come these guys always manage to find the only cop in the room? They don’t have ‘gaydar’, they’ve got ‘copdar.’ </p>

<p>If they could only accept themselves for who they are, they’d probably be happily ‘married’ to some other man and living a peaceful life doing lots of good in the community instead of sneaking around public restrooms.</p>

<p>it is sad that cops are used in this way anyway, to catch gay men</p>

<p>and sad that gay men have to hide</p>

<p>and sad that this man was a member of a party that hates who he is</p>

<p>where are the log cabin republicans in all this…</p>

<p>"How come these guys always manage to find the only cop in the room? They don’t have ‘gaydar’, they’ve got ‘copdar.’ </p>

<p>If they could only accept themselves for who they are, they’d probably be happily ‘married’ to some other man and living a peaceful life doing lots of good in the community instead of sneaking around public restrooms."</p>

<p>Or they might have a good wholesome polygamous bisexual marriage, and do lots of good in the community. ;)</p>

<p>To your first question, like drunk driving, lonesome cowboy probably did it a 100 times, and got caught once.</p>

<p>apparently there are some “codes” a way to wave the hand, foot tapping etc that takes place in the “tea rooms”</p>

<p>who knew</p>

<p>EEEEEeewwwwwww.</p>

<p>It’s always those that are shouting family values to get elected. Mitt is going to have some problems with the hard right who can’t stand gays.</p>

<p>I watched Hardball this evening. Chris Matthews interviewed the reporter from the Statesman, who was actually quite conservative in his criticism of the senator. Matthews, however, eviscerated Senator Craig for corruption, dishonesty and hypocrisy. Unfortunately for Craig, he pled guilty to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct after his arrest. The details of the police report were rather damning. There is also a republican insider who claims to have had intimate relations with the senator, but they are protecting his identity. Craig’s claims that it was a misunderstanding and that he is not gay seem shady in light of the facts.</p>

<p>Craig, ironically, has a long history of public homophobia–a champion of family values–against gay marriage/civil unions/gays in the military, etc. He was also a leading voice in the skewering of Clinton (and in the calling for impeachment) for his immoral behavior. The replay of his comments on Clinton was quite amusing now that he is out of the closet…he kept calling him a dirty, nasty, naughty, bad, boy (complete with crooked smirk and raised eyebrows!) I couldn’t help thinking that he wanted to spank Bubba.</p>

<p>Mitt is already distancing himself from his pal. Craig has resigned from Mitt’s support committee.</p>

<p>Too many people grow up closeted. There just needs to be more acceptance, in general, of differences. There aren’t too many places in America where a gay candidate can run openly without it being an issue. I say let them marry, let priests marry again, too, for that matter. I think less repression means less regrets in the long run.</p>

<p>I especially like the story of Rep. Bob Allen, a conservative Republican state legislator from Florida. In July, he offered an undercover cop $20 for oral sex in a public park restroom, and later explained it by saying that he was scared of black men. “Of the arresting officer Allen said in the tape, ‘This was a pretty stocky black guy, and there was nothing but other black guys around in the park.’ He claimed he feared he ‘was about to be a statistic’ would have said anything just to get away.”</p>

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<p>Well, I guess that explains the missing 8%…</p>

<p>They are truly that gift that keeps giving, aren’t they?</p>

<p>This does not reflect well on the NRA-supporting, married with 3 children, “family values” community.</p>

<p>I wonder if police keep an eye on public bathrooms because of the nuisance these public encounters are to others. I have heard that airport bathrooms can be, well, quite active. Any comments or observations?</p>

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Good grief, nothing like painting an entire population with the same brush as one troubled individual!!! How in the world can you post such nonsense? I don’t recall anyone saying that the entire Democratic party was adulterous based on Clinton’s behavior.</p>

<p>Good grief yourself - hard to believe you missed this discussion:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=369849&highlight=com[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=369849&highlight=com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“I don’t recall anyone saying that the entire Democratic party was adulterous based on Clinton’s behavior.”</p>

<p>The entire Democratic party (with the single exception of Dennis Kucinich, bless his relatively useless soul) was adulterous AND genocidal based on Clinton’s behavior.</p>

<p>There. Now, unless you do a Gonzo on us, you can no longer say someone hasn’t said it. ;)</p>

<p>Congressman David Dreier(R-Ca) is widely “known” to be gay for some time and the LATimes has reported that he is romantically involved with his chief of staff Brad Smith. And Barney Frank(D-Ma) has been out of the closet for many years. No big deal, though Dreier’s position on some issues is a bit hypocritical.</p>

<p>The troubling thing about the likes of Haggard, Craig, McGreevy et al is the fact that they seem to be leading double lives. In Craigs case there are allegations going back 40 years. He has a wife who must be humiliated by the revelations and instead of taking responsibility for his actions, he blames the newspaper. Evidently the Republican Senate leadership is ticked off to because they were blindsided by this weeks news report.</p>

<p>The Senator pleaded guilty to ‘disorderly conduct’. Having sex isn’t illegal; having it in a public place is. If he’d found a partner who wasn’t a cop and had gone to a nice motel, he wouldn’t be in trouble now – well, not this particular pot of trouble. </p>

<p>It’s the hypocrisy that bugs me. These people with R after their names are talking one way and behaving another. They must be very unhappy people, deep down. I just wish they’d stop taking it out on the rest of us. The Democrats may be the ‘nanny party’ but at least we’re not the ‘peeping party.’ If the R’s would spend less time peeping into everybody’s private life and more time on their core issues, maybe they’d keep their seats. Oops, I forgot. Peeping into people’s private life and trying to control behavior <em>is</em> their core issue.</p>

<p>Actually, originaloog, I agree with you that this guy’s behavior is awful. And he may indeed be a hypocrit. What bothers me in this discussion is the broad generalization to an entire party, based on the bad behavior of individuals. Craig happens to be a Republican – that’s very different from saying or implying, as drb did (imo) that this behavior is typical of the “NRA-supporting, married with 3 children, “family values” community.” In other words, all Republicans.</p>

<p>Or as Novelisto likes to generalize, “These people with R after their names are talking one way and behaving another. They must be very unhappy people, deep down. I just wish they’d stop taking it out on the rest of us.”</p>

<p>So, is the counter argument what mini said? Should all Democrats be demonized as adulterers who commit genocide and sell tickets to the Lincoln bedroom? Wouldn’t that be offensive to Democrats? Why would you think the other comments made about Republicans would be less offensive or more fair?</p>

<p>Honestly, I’ve pretty much given up on having a reasonable discussion on CC. It’s pretty much playground rules around here, at about the third grade level. “My party is better than your party. Your leader is a fill-in-the-blank.” It’s just stupid. But what I find troubling is how quickly people will jump on bad news about anything and try to dishonor large groups of people without a second thought.</p>

<p>But I’m sure most of you haven’t even bothered reading this comment.</p>