<p>The belief of God is based on faith as is anything that can not be physically proven to exist. Thus, God exists solely out of faith; that He exists not because of material evidence, but on pure belief and nothing else. If humanity were to find physical evidence that God exists, then God as the people believe him to be ceases to exist. By putting rationale behind the concept of God, the belief of God's existence based on faith is directly contradicted. Consequently, the God as we know Him to exist through faith is no more.</p>
<p>Simply stated, to disprove God, find that He exists.</p>
<p>does this even make sense to you? he's a pretty philosophical person but still.</p>
Utter gibberish dressed up in philosophical language. God is not proven and so people have to have faith in him or not; however, that does not entail a being that exists because of or for belief. I do not know what I will next eat, but I believe it will be soup. If I find that I will next eat soup, that does not disprove that I will be eating soup, for the soup was not contingent upon simple belief without knowledge.</p>
<p>Religious belief in God would cease to exist for those who knew, since it would become knowledge and not faith, but that does not mean God would cease to exist.</p>
<p>Your friend seems to be conflating proof and evidence. They’re two very different things. Faith and rationality are also not directly contradictory, as your friend seems to believe. So the argument doesn’t really follow at all.</p>
<p>It seems like your friend also needs to learn that a good philosopher doesn’t try to sound mystical, a good philosopher tries to clearly communicate their ideas.</p>
<p>Well there’s your problem. Just because a physico-teleological proof can’t prove the existence of God doesn’t mean it can’t inspire a belief in His existence</p>
<p>Proving God’s existence would not destroy God. It would destroy free will. The way you live your life becomes based on an ultimatum rather than a choice if faith becomes irrelevant. Free will allows for a better relationship with God because you must actually believe in him without proof, which leads to a more loving relationship than if you simply lived knowing there are definite consequences of how you live.</p>
<p>Or at least that’s the philosophic argument about faith. Hope that was clear enough</p>
Because following the words of God can only lead to one lifestyle with no choices?</p>
<p>Plus, if some hypothetical method simply proved that there was a God, then the religions would just argue more about who (if anyone) was right about what that God wanted.</p>
<p>If, for instance, the Christian God definitely exists then it is either: follow his rules and go to heaven, or don’t follow his rules and go to hell. It doesn’t sound like much of a choice to me. It’s not a true choice.</p>
1.) The thread was just “God exists.” If Christianity is completely proven, then the world would be a hugely different place. Hopefully people would treat each other better.</p>
<p>2.) There would still be plenty of choices in life. There are people following Christianity doing greatly different things in life, having made greatly different choices. The only “choice” that would be taken away would be treating others badly (and unless God was actually ruling on Earth, I’m willing to bet some people would still treat others badly).</p>
<p>I should probably clarify.
When I say free will, I mean the choice to believe in God or not. No other choice is significant to the argument.
Also, I was just using the Christian God as an example.</p>
Wait, so proving something to be true makes people lose their free will because they cannot “choose” to not believe it? So we should live in ignorance so we can continue to “choose”?</p>
<p>I can think of plenty scientific facts that have been proven true and plenty of people who still choose not to believe in them.</p>
<p>Actually, Yes because the knowledge that God exists would be undeniable if it were proven. Then people would, in effect, be forced to follow his rules because the consequences for disobedience would be so horrible. It would be the same as someone holding a gun toward your head saying “walk or die” (not a perfect simile but it gets the point across)</p>
