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I found this article on the web, and I am using it this week as a reason why I cannot find a job related to my major yet.</p>
<p>(i love how you said you’re using it this week… i wonder what next weeks article will be… 
joe)</p>
<p>Definitely interesting article. Probably also applies to college admissions.</p>
<p>What was your major and what kind of job are you seeking?</p>
<p>Seems to be more of a rant than a well-researched article though. Not that I don’t think white males have some serious problems these days. Having two sons I can see new problems for them.</p>
<p>Oh please. I love these articles about how white people have such a struggle while they make up the great majority of CEO’s, lawyors etc.</p>
<p>I think the point of the article was not to look at the very top part of the society, but instead look at the majority of white males.</p>
<p>Joev – my white male son is looking for a job right now. He just quit his old job, because he wants a change of pace. He sent out 5 resumes on Tuesday. He had call backs on 2 of the jobs, with interviews already set up for this weekend. He is a 22 year old college dropout with 2 years’ work experience who is applying for management-level positions. “White” and “male” are not a problem; those characteristics are an asset. It may not exactly distinguish him in the job hunt - but chances are he is being interviewed for every position by other white males; it will never work against him. </p>
<p>So I’d say, toss the article in the trash bin where it belongs. If you are down to using an article saying that discrimination against white males as an excuse for not finding a job, I’d say you have too many excuses. 
If you really have been looking for work without success for a long time, try working with a career counselor who can help you improve your resume and make a better first impression at an interview.</p>
<p>Devah Pager [incidentally, a white woman], assistant professor of sociology and fellow of the Institute for Policy Research, discusses discrimination in hiring</p>
<p>"According to a recent study, minorities continue to face discrimination when applying for low-wage jobs. Author Devah Pager says her study found race and criminal record greatly affect an applicants chances of being hired.</p>
<p>'Both race and criminal record had a huge effect of the likelihood on receiving a callback from employers. Probably the most surprising finding was that a black applicant with no criminal record was no more likely, in fact even slightly less likely, to receive a callback from employers than was a white applicant with a felony conviction.'
<a href=“Northwestern Now News”>Northwestern Now News;
<p>So much for white men’s “getting screwed”.</p>
<p>So white males might be having to deal with the same issues as other groups of males…</p>
<p>Yeah, I feel so bad, and I am married to a white male</p>
<p>And if a white male can’t find a job, its the economy stupid…(its a quote, don’t take offense!!)</p>
<p>Obviously there are articles on the web to skew everything toward your point of view, and obviously I know the only reason I haven’t found a job yet is me. I just found this article interesting after finding that many job applications that I had filled out over the internet asked for my race. Found it kind of odd, if my name was Jamal Crawford or Debbie Reynolds would I have gotten a call back? Probably not with my weak ass resume, but I liked the article nonetheless.</p>
<p>I’m sure the sword cuts both ways. I do know of a white male who was applying for a position and informed by a friend in the organization that he needed to be better than all the minorities who applied, because if all things were equal, the position was going to a minority. I’m know there are many examples to the contrary, but white males can be the object of discrimination, too.</p>
<p>joev, I didn’t know that potential employers could ask your race or religion. Certainly, I don’t think you have to provide that information. Alot of applications even have a “no discrimination” announcement on them, don’t they? But, no excuses, you need to work on you “weak ass resume”. Good luck!</p>
<p>Joev…have you considered national service? …join the Army. I understand that white males have all the advantages in the Army.</p>
<p>My boss routinely tells people he rejects for employment that they failed to get the job because it went to the friend/sister/cousin of someone high-up in the organization. His reason for not telling them the truth (they werent qualified); he doesnt want to be the bad-guy. He also believes its less emotionally jarring. The candidate walks away thinking the ONLY reason he/she didnt get the job was because of nepotism. Im sure the same holds true when sighting reverse discrimination as the reason someone failed to get the job.</p>
<p>I feel that we’re always getting trapped on this forum into discussing this issue or similar issues.</p>
<p>Sigh. Y’all need to get your facts straight.</p>
<p>Men are at an advantage in elite college admissions. For the most part, women make up the top grade earners, have better essays, more well-developed extracurriculars, and better recommendations. More women than men finish high school; more women than men apply to college; and more women than men finish college. To have an even gender ratio, some schools (my alma mater among them) give a tip to men. </p>
<p>Note that this also applies to engineering. There is a myth that women engineers are given a boost in admissions; however, women engineers have higher “stats” than their male counterparts. While fewer women apply, those that do have better qualifications (self-selecting group).</p>
<p>*If y’all want me to destroy that article, can do. Suffice to say, the logic is horrible. Intellectual dishonesty at its worst. Just a sample: the “heart attack” thing - the number one killer of males, as pointed out by that lovely article. Now, for anyone who has a millionth of a clue, heart attacks… KILL MORE WOMEN THAN MEN. But it’s obviously discriminatory against men to have breast cancer awareness and not heart attack awareness. This is true, even considering that “heart attack symptoms” are the symptoms… FOR MEN. Men tend to get the traditional pain down the left arm, tightness in chest, and pain that may radiate towards the jaw. Women describe heart attacks as “a mouse in their chests.” Symptoms are some tightness and unexplained fatigue. Oh, but those poor men. Always the ones who are getting hurt. Breast cancer medications have often been tested only on men - because women, with their cycles, are too complicated. </p>
<p>“Fact is, according to research by Dr. Warren Farrell, when all variables are controlled for: for example, actual hours worked, experience, work hazards, commute distance, and performance evaluations, for the same work, women earn more than men.”</p>
<p>Well, funny. Let’s take out EDUCATION as one of those variables but leave everything else in. What is it now - some 70,000 more women than men graduate college every year? Oh, but that’s gotta be trumped by “hazards of job” - which effectively takes out the fact that uneducated “male” jobs tend to pay more than corresponding uneducated “female” jobs (i.e. security guard on the nightshift v. housecleaning). Yeah, well, distort the facts, play with statistics, and it does look like men are being discriminated against. </p>
<p>Final thought: I attended a leadership conference recently, which was lead by a man. All of the qualities that he was talking about in a good leader - listening, not being unilateral, finding people’s strengths, noticing when someone is checking out - are traditional “female” traits. Just a thought for y’all. :)</p>
<p>Just kidding about the final thought. There was an article written about two years ago that detailed how women become successful - and it said that successful women have “wives.” Men don’t worry about balancing work and family - family is taken care of. Many of the women on top have husbands who are extremely supportive and do the lion’s share of the housework and child-rearing. Maybe Dr. Farrell should have corrected his statistics for “support at home” and seen what would have happened. :)</p>
<p>Why can’t I find a woman like you in Cleveland, I would love to go out with someone who actually had different viewpoints that me, and didn’t agree with everything I say. All these E-Harmony chicks are complete pushovers and for lack of a better term, complete dumbasses. :)</p>
<p>Joev – your weak resume may be a case of presentation. My son sent me his resume to proofread on Monday, right before he sent it out - and I was blown away. I was thinking – oh wow, this is my son??? Of course he’s going to get hired. Basically, he listed several positions he’s held in the past year, and under each he had a bulleted list of some accomplishments - not necessarily personal accomplishments, but highlights of what was going on while he was working there. </p>
<p>Part of the reason my son was able to put together such a good resume is that he has been involved in hiring at the job he just quit - in some cases doing initial screening for positions higher than his own – so he has seen a lot of resumes and he knows what stands out to employers in his field. </p>
<p>I’m thinking that if you are 28 years old, you must have some good work experience along the way - but if you are merely listing job titles and dates, you may be missing the opportunity to really sell yourself. My son’s resume is very dynamic – even though he only really worked for 2 agencies, you get a sense of the most exciting things that were going on with each at the time he was there - and his job title is enough to let you know that he was in the thick of things.</p>
<p>Now my son is NOT exaggerating - he doesn’t misrepresent his role or make it sound like he did everything listed all by himself. It’s just that he makes it all sound much more exciting by the way he presents it - and it is also easy to see how is resume is a good launching point for an interview. (A lot to pique the interest of an employer and get them started with the questions that will flesh out the exact role).</p>
<p>I don’t know what kind of work you are looking for now - but it is important to think of your past jobs in terms of the skills you gained and how those transfer to whatever you want to do. </p>
<p>Again - I’d suggest you get outside help on how to polish the way you present yourself, in the exact same way that we discuss the college app. process here. It’s no different - you are doing the same thing: trying to differentiate yourself from all the other applicants by conveying a sense of who you are and selling your talents.</p>
<p>JoeV - I have a pile of ex-boyfriends who would really go for those E-Harmony chicks. If the job thing doesn’t pan out, maybe we could team up and run a dating service. ;)</p>
<p>To answer the question - well, women like me spend a lot of time fighting with men who say things like (direct quote), “You don’t need to work as hard as you do. You don’t need to get grades as good as the ones you’ve been getting… why do you want to be a big-firm NYC lawyer anyway?” </p>
<p>Find a book by Dana Morgan called “The 10 Minute Interview.” You can get it used on Amazon.com - it’s wonderful. Also, consider having someone on these boards review your resume - people who don’t know you can be really good at assessing how well your resume shows who you are.</p>
<p>For men, unfortunately, often one of the biggest factors in being hired is height. Men over 6’2 make about 12% more annually than those under 6’.</p>