There's Something Wrong With Recent College Graduates

<p>Some quick background:</p>

<p>I only have a high school education. I’m 19 years old. I am in a management position at a branch firm of a national market research agency. If you’re wondering, I did not get this gig by parent/friend connections. I started as a recruiter (someone who works calling people for focus groups from our database) and was quickly promoted.</p>

<p>Throughout the week, I have about twenty people who work directly under me as recruiters, all part-time (~20-30 hours). </p>

<p>About a third of them have college degrees and work as recruiters in order to have some work experience in the the marketing industry since they weren’t bright enough to actually go to work while in college (Rich, entitled kids). Everyone in my company, all the way up to the branch President, started out as recruiters. It is the default entry-level job, which they do for about 6 months to a year and then go somewhere else. </p>

<p>A third are current college students who were smart enough to get some entry-level work experience in the field while in school.</p>

<p>And the remaining third of the whole lot are people with high school educations who have been working here for awhile and have several part time jobs, or they are house wives who want some extra money.</p>

<p>Now, the college graduates are all jokes. Every single one of them. It is sad how entitled they feel despite having no work experience and hardly any time with the company. Some things they are usually prone to do:</p>

<p>1) Explain, repeatedly, that they have a degree in something, so they would understand (implying that they don’t need my guidance or instruction). They then mess up horribly doing some task that usually requires even more time to fix and act stupid and try to pass off the mistake as totally casual when they are wasting my time and the company’s money.</p>

<p>1A) Explain, for example, that their pre-law degree means they are better suited to work complex legal studies over recruiters who have far more experience in dealing with such studies, as we often have the same clients. My favorite example of this is explaining to me that they majored in Spanish so they want to placed on Spanish studies in place of my Hispanic recruiters. When speaking to those recruiters in Spanish, the dumbass college graduate says that they use “too much slang”. </p>

<p>2) Despite having scheduled (mandatory) hours, they think that showing up to work is like showing up to a lecture in college (optional, at your own pace). My “uneducated” recruiters show up on time. They also always leave me dumb messages with the silliest excuses on why they couldn’t show up for a Saturday shift. </p>

<p>3) Feel the need to go straight to the President of the whole company with whatever is on their mind instead of me, any of the supervisors, or even our boss. I think this is that entitlement “I’m a special little snowflake” nonsense at work. They always end up coming back to me followed by an annoyed page from my boss because they don’t realize or consider the possibility that I am the only person who is capable of solving their issues 99% of the time (I do scheduling, study reports, client updates, give out pay, etc) even though they know otherwise. </p>

<p>4) Get offended extremely easily. If you tell them to do something without saying “please”, they get offended and let you know it. They can’t just do their work or take an assignment; everything is a personal affront to their intelligence, apparently.</p>

<p>5) We have a strict no cell phone policy in the phone room. They all think they’re freaking James Bond or something and can sneak texting like our tiny phone room is a five-hundred seat lecture hall. When I tell them to put their phone away, they are shocked and say “I was only checking the time” (we have clocks in our company’s phones…) even when you can watch them text away instead of doing their work that we PAY THEM TO DO. I swear, it is like these people are addicted to their phones. So unproductive and disruptive (when they ring in a room full of people who are on phones… not professional to hear that if you are a respondent or God forbid a client testing out our recruiting process). </p>

<p>6) Whine. I don’t get this one. You would think that someone who worked on their super intense undergraduate major from Colgate/Cornell/Binghamton/NYU/Columbia would not have any problems doing very easy work. Whenever they get a study they don’t like, they whine about it. All of time. Make dumb excuses on why they can’t do well in it and need to be switched.</p>

<p>My “uneducated” employees literally have none of the issues above and are far more productive and successful recruiters. The ones in college are somewhere in the middle because the ones who get jobs in college are more realistic and generally less spoiled than the rotten morons who wait until after college.</p>

<p>So my whole point with this thread would be that recent college graduates make absolutely ****ty employees. Even “uneducated” employees the same age or younger with the same amount of time with the company tend to have far better work ethic and realistic view of the world.</p>

<p>What is totally ironic about college is that people say college prepares you for your career when, in reality, this seems to be false. College kids are disconcertingly naive about how the world works. They are so unbelievably unrealistic, feel so super entitled for everything with absolutely no work, and feel that they are somehow superior to everyone they meet and at least somehow equal to the highest ups in my company. They want all of the success but none of the work.</p>

<p>I feel that most kids are brainwashed going into and throughout college that their life will just be gravy after they graduate and not have to work ever again, and if they do work, they will get a job they absolutely love at hours they love with tons of money and free time - all at an entry level position.</p>

<p>It is just so unbelievable how clueless, immature, and into-themselves these people are. A lot of people blame the economy, but maybe employers are onto something. If you know a job can be done by someone without a college degree (they all pretty much can) and they won’t have all of the emotional/mental baggage of college graduates and you can pay them less, you should probably hire the high school graduate. Or, if you prefer a job to be done better, hire someone who is out of work instead of the recent graduate. They understand what it is like to work and won’t be a pain in the ass.</p>

<p>So that’s my rant.</p>

<p>Advice to college students: Take a long, thoughtful smell of the coffee. There is a world out there after college that does not revolve around you.</p>

<p>I agree. </p>

<p>Also, I work with a whole bunch of people who wear suits, and many of them are idiots. Therefore, people who buy suits recently are idiots.</p>

<p>Number six on your list is generation-type trait/phenomenon. Complaining has become the social norm as it seems for these age groups, which albeit saddening, makes us who work hard and put in the time to do things right look even better.</p>

<p>Another thing about these more “affluent” college types is the fact they’ve been coddled their entire lives through their affluent lifestyles and relying on their parents, and this “naive-ness” is the result of such a lifestyle.</p>

<p>At the end of the day, there are many of these types of recent graduates out there (as a result of the recent stupor and hype that has been gradually applied to concept of going to college over the past forty or so years). What people really should be looking at (in Business and many other related fields, at least) is the strength of the applicant’s character.</p>

<p>Wow, this post sounds really bitter. While the entitlement attitude is an issue, the attitude displayed in this post doesn’t make it sound like working for you is a real treat either. Perhaps you are just venting and I can understand that, but if this post was a reflection of your management style, I’d be less than inclined to work for you voluntarily. Great teams start with great managers!</p>

<p>^ I don’t see how you would feel that way. If it were up to me, I’d fire the lot of them. If they make more mistakes than they fix, and if they waste paid time, they do not deserve a paycheck (or a position, if they are unpaid). Punctuality, hard work, and discipline are things they should have learned a long time ago. At an entry-level position, they are replaceable. Why keep them if they’re more trouble than they’re worth? Perhaps you might believe that it’s worth providing them with “an experience” that will “help them later on,” but from an economical standpoint, it’s completely illogical to keep them.</p>

<p>Nevertheless, I don’t think this applies to all, or even the majority, of college grads. For the ones that it does apply, most will eventually learn what is expected of them.</p>

<p>An amusing, if slightly labored, variant on the traditional All Harvard Grads Are Idiots rant.</p>

<p>I assume the term ‘recruiter’ is used above to mean someone who recruits people to participate in the research study (i.e. an opinion survey, focus group, intercept, or interview). It looks like the OP needs to ‘recruit’ (using the term to mean finding people to hire) better employees or look for graduates from other colleges.</p>

<p>Nice post! very interesting & amusing :)</p>

<p>i havent even graduated from HS but i guess u do have a point haha</p>

<p>hahahaha dude, what about engineers , doctors or even lawyers? well i guess they dont need a college degree. My bad .</p>

<p>^ I’d really like to see a recent high school graduate design and oversee the construction of a bridge over a two and a half mile channel.</p>

<p>However, I do agree with the OP that there are many careers that don’t require someone to go to college.</p>

<p>how do I post my own thread</p>

<p>What a pathetic rant. I’d like to see a high school grad try a murder case. Or draft up a complex international merger agreement. Or perform open heart surgery. :rolleyes: If that’s the way you treat your employees, no wonder your employees don’t like you. The ones that are smart enough not to take crap are probably complaining about you.</p>

<p>The story’s old. College grads suck, young people suck, blah blah blah. Yeah yeah yeah whatever.</p>

<p>I think what the OP is saying is that college grads don’t act properly in a work environment, rather than saying they lack knowledge.</p>

<p>I understand for the simple fact that some of these kids come from the suburbs and mom and dad has spoiled them rotten. They never learned or understood that in life you must work for something and not expect it to be handed to you on a silver platter. Thats why when they graduate from college they are clueless. They don’t know how to survive on their own, thats why most of them graduate and go back home.</p>

<p>its important not to extrapolate all of those college grads to the rest of college grads across the country. Remember they aren’t necessarily doing skilled work - they are obviously the bottom quarter of their classes. I’m sure if you were managing accountants, engineers, news writers, etc. you would have a more intelligent and polite group employees.</p>

<p>Collegebound guy has a point.</p>

<p>Also, I am incredibly surprised the at the age of 19 you have amassed such vast experience of humanity and college graduates that you can make such sweeping statements. Especially because 1/3 of a staff of 20 is only about 7 individuals. Clearly a reliable and statistically significant sample from which to draw. Now if you would have taken even one research class in college you should know that your observations are localized an anecdotal at best, and pure tripe at worst. </p>

<p>Reality here is that degrees are nearly (not always, but nearly) a prerequisite for career mobility. Even a BA does not mean much anymore. Unless you are incredibly fortunate or have very low ambitions, you will need further education at some point. Hopefully this time off before beginning your higher education will allow you to decide what encompasses a good education and what it means to be truly educated. Education should not just be about job performance, it should also be about the big picture and understanding how humans relate to each other and the world. What an empty world we live in if the rubric of a good education is how well one performs as a part-time recruiter in a national market research agency. Maybe your employees do not value you as a manager because of your attitude toward their educations. Management is a tricky, tricky thing. People are difficult. That a younger person is their boss and clearly does not respect them could cause a lot of the problems you have mentioned. </p>

<p>I am personally displeased with what undergraduate education has sunk to in this nation. I believe Robert Hutchins once said something about how we ought to award every american a Bachelor’s degree upon birth and save ourselves a lot of trouble. I agree. A college degree is not necessary for a person to be a success and sickens me that credentialism has lead incredibly expensive and nearly valueless education. Regardless, that does not make the process of education worthless.</p>

<p>Really though, the original post is absurd. Manhattan75, if you feel the exact same at 39 (or even 29) as you do now, I will be extremely surprised. Lastly, while lambasting recent college graduates for being entitled, how would you categorize your own assertions? If not entitled, such comments are definitely the opposite of humble.</p>

<p>I am glad that you are thinking of this all now. More people need to question what college is about today and what it should be producing. American higher education is a disgrace and it is failing. </p>

<p>Hopefully, in the future, you will dig a little deeper before making such grand proclamations. A college education would likely help with learning how to see multiple perspectives.</p>

<p>Cheers!</p>

<p>I don’t think the problem is undergraduate education. I think the problem is upbringing. It’s not the job of education to teach these skills; it’s the job of parents. Many students graduate from college without ever holding a real job. They take classes, go on summer excursions, take cushy positions given through friends or family, or work extremely flexible, low responsibility work study jobs. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, except that students are only learning how to behave in those situations - and unfortunately are often also spoiled. Fewer and fewer students have a tendency to work low-level (or even any level) jobs, and therefore never learn the consequences of their actions. Punctuality, respect, responsibility… a sense of reality. These are all things lacking in college students not because of their education, but because of their background. I think that’s the big problem here. There’s no accountability for these students. Heck, take the OP’s example - those employees are behaving like that, but it doesn’t appear they’ve been fired or reprimanded heavily (at least not yet).</p>

<p>Manhattan75, ask your employees their GPAs and post the results!</p>

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<p>For glorified retail jobs like these (the ones that can be done w/out a degree) you should definitely hire someone without a college degree. Then you can make their pay minimum wage or just 100% commission based.</p>

<p>Are you surprised jobs like these attract the bottom-of-the-barrel college grads? The smart ones run away from jobs like those as fast as they can.</p>

<p>This could quite possibly be the most ridiculous thread I have ever seen. What Manhattan75 fails to realize is that what ever type of job he has, it doesn’t require a college degree and niether do the jobs of all the people that he works with. Just think about it. A 19 year old is not going to manage professionals. This just does not happen. The people that he works with with degrees are obviously not the top graduates by any means. Manhattan75, before you make generalizations like saying that all jobs can pretty much be done by someone without a degree, you might want to stop and think about what you are actually saying. Comments like this lead me to believe that you are totally clueless. I guess you have never heard of engineers, physicians, attorneys, accountants, nurses, researchers, etc…The list is endless. Universities exist for a reason. Without people with college educations, our country would crumble.</p>

<p>Manhattan75, your limited experience and view of college graduates is completely misguided. The people you work with do not represent graduates capable of obtaining professional jobs.</p>