They Want the U.S. Out - NOW

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<p>Not a phased withdrawal. Not on a timeline. Not a redeployment. Not after Iraqi troops are trained. Not a movement back to bases. Out, as in, “cut and run”. Nearly three quarters would “feel safer”. </p>

<p>“The attack in Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, came as a new poll by the State Department and independent researchers indicated a strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to withdraw immediately from the country. The poll, obtained by The Washington Post, showed, for example, that nearly three-quarters of Baghdad residents would feel safer if the U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq with 65 percent favoring an immediate pullout.”</p>

<p>The Democratic non-position on Iraq makes me ill.</p>

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<p>gosh, really? who would have thunk it!!! I though, weel ,according to poster here, they loved us there…</p>

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<p>Of course they love us. We were greeted as liberators, and this civil war they are having really is in its last throes. And those “free democratic” elections yielded a terrifically divided unity government. </p>

<p>I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about here.</p>

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<p>Gee, but the democratically elected leaders in Iraq don’t want us out right now. So, do we listen to democracy or to polls?</p>

<p>Also, the much hyped NIE which was so prominently used by the Dems a couple of days ago when just the cherry-picked quotes were used says that a withdrawal from Iraq would be seen as a failure and would INCREASE the recruitment of terrorists. That sounds like a grand plan.</p>

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<p>MOre on that:</p>

<p><a href=“http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/30289.html[/url]”>http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/30289.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“Gee, but the democratically elected leaders in Iraq don’t want us out right now.”</p>

<p>Has anyone ASKED them? Remember, this was a U.S. State Department poll. No contradiction with the poll above. U.S. out, and Sistani will take care of Al-Qaeda (and it won’t take very long, either.)</p>

<p>The U.S. is going to withdraw from Iraq anyway. It’s just a matter of time. And who gets to point fingers at whom. It might be “nice” if the U.S. could accomplish its propagandistic ends through the occupation. But at some point, “nice” doesn’t cut it - realpolitik does.</p>

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<p>I have heard their leaders quoted as not being in favor of a pullout. I’m sure that they can also vote for a resolution to have coalition troops pull out - but haven’t.</p>

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<p>Not likely while they are being well-paid, and are busy spiriting funds abroad. (Can’t say I blame 'em.)</p>

<p>"Legislators have a three-day workweek and are paid $5,000 per month plus $7,000 in allowances for drivers, guards and other staff members. By comparison, the average monthly salary for a civil servant in Iraq is about $200. </p>

<p>After the December elections, Sumaya Ali, a 31-year-old Shiite accountant in Baghdad, was optimistic. But the lawlessness of the capital is eroding her faith. </p>

<p>“My hope is dying,” she said. “The parliament members only think about their salaries while the situation is very critical in the country.” </p>

<p>Iraq’s most revered and influential religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, and his representatives have become increasingly critical of what they see as fat cats and corruption.</p>

<p>“Citizens expect, and they are right to do so, that parliament members and high-ranking officials share their agony and hardship,” Sistani said in a recent statement. </p>

<p>But many lawmakers live in government-sponsored villas and apartments in the heavily guarded Green Zone, enjoying a world of security and privilege where the streets are clean and the electricity is constant.</p>

<p>On the other side of concrete barriers, checkpoints and concertina wire, sectarian warfare threatens to pull the country apart. Fear and violence keep many people at home, unable to work or attend school.</p>

<p>Millions of Iraqis live in poverty. Malnutrition afflicts a quarter of the country’s children. Unemployment remains at a record high. Fuel shortages are chronic. Electricity is scarce."</p>

<p>Any way, it doesn’t matter - the U.S. can declare “victory” or “cut-and-run” - it amounts to the same thing. After all, things are just so much better than they were a year ago when Murtha showed he was a traitor to the country.</p>

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<p>zoos,</p>

<p>Thanks for the link. It is an update of a poll that I had linked to before showing that most Iraqis (and an overwhelming number of the oppressed population [Kurds & Shia]) think that despite their current hardships that the removal of Saddam was worth it:</p>

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<a href=“http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_rpt.pdf[/url]”>http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_rpt.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Oh, they do believe the hardships are worth it. Just worth it WITHOUT the Americans there, according to the State Department.</p>

<p>I seem to remember that the war ended three years ago.</p>

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<p>well, we will see if the democratically elected officials listen to the people that elected them…what a concept</p>

<p>or were they elected to not listen to the people…that is it…now that is not that unusual</p>

<p>guess all those retired generals who were there, like FF was apparently, are clueless as well…</p>

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<p>Mini, I noticed that you provided no link to the poll, so we are left in the dark about how the poll was taken and the exact wording of it. Just a little cherry picking again? Reporting only Baghdad residents?</p>

<p>From the poll that I linked to, above, only 37% want us out within 6 months.</p>

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<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq[/url]”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Hardly matters, though. U.S. is on the way out, with victory in hand. We overthrew Hussein, found the thousands of tons of WMD and destroyed them, disrupted the close ongoing relationship between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, protected the oil pipelines, set up the permanent military bases outside of Saudi Arabia, and did it all without costing U.S. taxpayers a nickel, as it was all paid for by Iraqi oil revenue. Oh, and made the entire region safer!</p>

<p>61% of Iraqis said they approve of attacks on U.S. forces. Yup, we are doing positive things, winning hearts and minds.</p>

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<p>And this whole adventure has cost us $400 billion dollars and 2700 American lives, not to mention the umpteen thousand (because we don’t care to count them…collateral damage and all) Iraqi lives. </p>

<p>It’s been a bangup success. And now that we have destroyed their country, the Iraqi would like us to leave. Mission accomplished!</p>

<p>And yes, we will leave, with the collective American tail between its legs, as we left Vietnam. Was the adventure worth it?</p>

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<p>and we have stabllized the middle east…I think that giant embassy will serve us well…</p>

<p>don’t forget the mote we want to dig…who is going to dig it by the way? guess you can’t shoot stuff over a mote</p>

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<p>My question to you mini and others whole believe that this government is full of crooks and everything they do is a lie and a concpiracy, is why do YOU believe this poll conducted by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, when most of you believe that an inside Bush job had something to do with lower gas prices…Even so why did you choose to reveal only part of the poll. Why did you not talk about everything polled. Is it because somethings go against your ideology? Either way it wasnt really a mystery that most Iraqis are grateful for the US that thy got ridof Saddam and now want them to leave just like it isnt news that most iraqis do not like al qaida or syria. The fact remains that in the longer run, according to anyone who knows what they are talkign about, it will help if America continues to stay in the country even though its against the iraqis wishes.</p>

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Well, if you define success from an Iraqi perspective of being better off now than under Saddam, yes it was a success.</p>

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<p>I am sure it would depend on how the question was framed. Do you want US troops to leave? Yes. Do you want US troops to leave if it means civil war and a possible takeover by extremists? Ahhh, No.</p>

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<p>Thank you, Fundingfather, for your reliable “There must be a pony in here somewhere!” interpretation of even the most devastating evidence of the Bush Administration’s gross failures. I see no evidence that the information about what the NIE stated that was reported a few days ago was in any significant way any different from the excerpts the Administration has now released. The “cherries” that were picked were, in fact, accurate examples of the entire crop. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I assume you are referring to this:

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<p>The fact that we have created a situation where the best we can hope for is to bleed our armed forces white in an effort to maintain a brutal stalemate in Iraq so as to try to avoid giving the extremists something to gloat over is hardly an endorsement of the Administrations “plan”.</p>

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<p>Interesting you mention that document. Earlier, after quotes of it were leaked by some democrat mole in the administration, Bush declassified the whole entire document to show the true context of it. It indeed said both what fundingfather kluge claim it to say, however Bush released the whole chapter while the leaker released what will benefit him. Now that Bush has realeased the whole chapter, and not cherry picked quotes from it , Senator Tedd Kennedy is accusing the President of cherry picking excerpts from the document and he wants the entire thing released…</p>