<p>Do any attorney types out there know if there are any circumstances under which the US would allow her to be extradited? I can’t imagine she has any interest in ever leaving the US again. </p>
<p>I’ve read the “evidence” and there’s not a DA in this country who would take this case to court. </p>
<p>Meredith’s father wrote a book about his daughter and the murder. A lot of info that our media reports ignore in that book. Well written too. Worth a read if you are truly interested in the case.</p>
<p>The thing that really is strange about this case is what Guede’s story is. If this were a three way assault/rape/ murder starting with sex games gone wrong which is what the Italian courts are saying, the one person convicted, Guede, who definitely was there, admits he was there, whose Feces and semen was found there, and who now doesn’t have anything really to lose to tell what happened with Knox and BF there, hasn’t come up with a story that makes sense. It’s like he doesn’t have any idea what their part in all of this is. That, to me, is the baffling part of all of this. </p>
<p>Looking at the evidence, a lot of it which has been misrepresented by our media and believe me, some of the things that Knox’s attorneys, family, PR machie as well as Sollecitos’ has said are downright false, the end of the line official story doesn’t stand up for Knox and Sollecito. But I don’t see enough evidence there to have to say that they killed Merediith Kercher either. </p>
<p>Guede has outright said that Kercher let her into the place and that he had sex with her. The break in was staged, but there is no evidence who staged it. It could have Guede, it could have been Knox, Sollecito, or all of them together. The thing is, Guede could have and still could implicate the Knox and Sollecito, absolutely but he can’t seem to come up with a story that makes sense with them in the scene. He says, he was there, had sex, used the bathroom, and the murder took place while he was on the toilet and so he doesn’t know who killed Kercher, though he heard Knox’s voice and seems to indicate that she was there. I don’t think the three of them did the deed together, as there is nothing that Guede has said that fits that theory. He would have certainly implicated the other two and blamed the actual killing on them and involved them more by now if he could come up with any sequence of events to fit the evidence even remotely. He can’t. And yet, he isn’t naming anyone else either. </p>
<p>Some of the conclusions that the Italian court has come to along with investigators, to me, are not the only possible things that could happen. Which is what bothers me about this case. It is possible, yes, very possible that Knox and Sollecito were involved right down to actually killing Meridith Kercher, but possibility does not equate proof and I can come up with any number of scenarios to fit the evidence that those presenting it against Knox and Sollecito have presented. </p>
<p>But be aware that the picture painted of Amanda Knox is not as the media and family has painted it. There are things that did happen that make no sense with the story that she and Sollecito have finally settled on. </p>
<p>IMO there will be little effort to extradite her. She seems to have a huge amount of support here in the states, and a vast majority here believe she is innocent. (I go back and forth). Also on the political front I am not sure that Italy has any leverage. What are they going to do, stop exporting olive oil to the U.S.?</p>
<p>I doubt that the picture that the British media–and probably the Italian media also–painted of Knox as a sex-crazed nutjob (Foxy Knoxy???) was accurate either.</p>
<p>Anyone remember the stance taken by the British press in the case of the nanny accused of killing the baby in Boston? (Nanny=saint, Working Mother=villain) Anyone remember the attempts by the press and the Portuguese police to brand the McCanns as abusive neglectful child killers? </p>
<p>These international crimes seem to inspire even more distortion than domestic ones.</p>
<p>And while my heart breaks for any parent who loses a child, all too often we have seen parents who fixate on the first person the police point out as the villain and ignore all subsequent evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>Foxy Knoxy was a nickname she got when she was a pre-teen playing soccer. </p>
<p>I am not on the Foxy Knoxy wagon at all. And yes, the police, the judicial systems and, the media and public outcries can often be akin to the old torches and pitchforks frenzy of old, I agree. I think our own Casey Anthoney Case is an example of that, not to mention some other high profile cases. </p>
<p>But some things being written down and touted as fact regarding Knox are not. The Italian police and courts do have some valid reason to believe that her stories, none of them, are true, and that she has some involvement that is not explained by her. Something is rotton, there, and I’m not going by theories at all. As I said, some of their own theories don’t hold water either. To me the most notable one is blaming the staged break in (and yes, the evidence pretty much makes it clear that the break in was staged) on Knox and Sollecito. There is a shred of proof that they did it. They have NO idea who staged it, absolutely none. Yet they are convinced it was Knox and Sollecito. </p>
<p>I have several theories that would fit the facts, and there are facts there that are not explained by Sollecito and Knox that implicate them in tampering with the evidence there. The court’s version makes no sense to me either, but as I said,there is some troubling direct evidence, facts, that make it clear that some involvement on Knox’s part is there. That she’s lied so many times, does not help her either. And I mean direct simple lies to very direct simple questions, followed by explanations that fit the facts better. </p>
<p>Do read John Kercher’s book IT’s not a flagrent finger pointing or eratic fixation at all. I don’t agree with his conclusions, as they are not the only ones possible in this case, but he does lay out some facts that have been severly disorted by our media, and some things are outright lies still be upheld by family, stories, blogs and the now again found guilty parties.</p>
<p>I don’t know what happened. No one may know exactly what happened. But it ain’t what Sollecito and Knox are saying happened, at least their part of it.</p>
<p>Don’t be so certain that U.S. courts won’t honor an extradition request by Italy. Do we have an extradition treaty with Italy? Would the U.S. Department of Justice have grounds to declare that Italian law is illegitimate in this matter? Finally, as any U.S. diplomat will tell you, Americans have to be very careful about how handles these cases involving American nationals abroad because we want foreign authorities to cooperate with us and honor our requests when our citizens need help over there. Remember the Brazilian child custody case, or the Ira Einhorn case (France)?; or any number of cases where Americans charged with homocide flee to Canada, which refuses to extradite persons to countries that impose capital punishment?</p>
<p>Let’s see if I have this straight; an American girl, a naive honor student for 20 years, goes to Italy and becomes a sex-crazed, murdering nutjob for a month, then turns back into the naive honor student for the next six years. None of us are safe if this seems even remotely plausible.</p>
<p>That may not seem plausible, but neither does her story. I haven’t followed this case and all of it’s twists and turns all that closely but there are missing pieces.Personally, i don’t find her to be very credible at all and I really have no idea why but something is amiss.imho.</p>
<p>I think Italy makes a request to the US justice dept to extradite Knox to save face but will not push very hard. Knox was abroad, but she’s a US citizen who deserves protection from her government IF the justice dept truly believes the case was a farce.</p>
<p>It’s too bad that the evidence was so badly compromised from the outset.
Pretty much destroyed the chance to find out what happened, ever.</p>
<p>Sollecito has been detained.
<a href=“Raffaele Sollecito Has Been Detained By Police Near The Austrian Border”>Raffaele Sollecito Has Been Detained By Police Near The Austrian Border;
<p>No, none of us are safe. Not that I think that happened. But, you don’t know how naive she was before hand, and and the “sex-crazed” certainly does seems to fit. None of us know what happened that night and who actually killed Meredith Kercher. That Guede was heavily involved is clear. But Knox’s and Sollecito’s stories, none of them, and they have come up with a number of versions, does not fit the evidence. Something is not right here, and it seems to me that Knox was there, and knows some things about what happened that she is not telling. Whether she merely saw a mess and cleaned it up, was there and did not do anything, or was more directly involved, cannot be determined, but her stories directly contradict the evidence which is a reason why she was convicted. Something is not right there and still not being addressed. Maybe she believes it is so now, but I’m telling you there are some no brainer direct contradictions.</p>
<p>I’ve known some people, and still know them, who did some terrible things, including murder, are sex offenders, have some issues and you would never guess that is the case if you meet them, and even if you get to know them fairly well. So yes, it’s true these things can happen. Murderers, thieves, “bad people” do not have horns sticking out of their heads, and some of them can be very nice people 99.9999999% of the time, but did for an instant make a terrible decision, reflex, or whatever and hurt and even killed others. Throw in drugs, and you can up the numbers. I’ve known folks who had come off binges with absolutely no idea what they did while on them. Fortunately, in those cases, no permanent or severe harm done, but yes, possible. Someone we know held in very high esteem, once drove from Maine to Baltimore in such a drunken stupor that he was on the wrong side of the road for some of the time, nearly caused some accidents, had no memory how he got back, to this day doesn’t remember it. Then you got the mom with those kids who did the same with far less drink/drugs, and she killed several people in doing it,including her own and her brother’s kids. The stories I could tell. So, no, it would not surprise me if Amanda Knox did do as the Italian prosecutors accused her and the courts convicted her. But i also will out and out say, that the evidence is not 100% there, and from what I have read, and these are accounts panning her and blaming her, other theories certainly could hold. But Knox’s story is not true. Directly refuted facts there, and I think that is what made the verdict what it was. Too many stories, none of them fit, incluidng the one they finally decided to settle on. Had she just said she did not know or had no memory and put her arms up in the air to explain something, it would be a lot better than sticking somethings that are blatantly untrue which is what she and Sollecito have done.</p>
<p>Those of you who are saying that Knox’s version of events cannot be true: Can you be specific?? I would like to know what those events are, what the contradictions are.</p>
<p>I don’t know if Knox was involved, but I don’t think that she would have been convicted under US law. All her lawyer would have to do is to provide a good “reasonable doubt” argument. In this case it is not hard to do.</p>
<p>Apparently, even though Italian constitution guarantees presumption of innocence, the guarantee is not worth the paper it was written on. </p>
<p>I don’t think murder trials in the US are always good models of prosecutorial competence and just outcomes.</p>
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<p>This is true.</p>
<p>However, I think that prosecution in this case failed to prove beyond the reasonable doubt their theory. Hence, I don’t think she would have been convicted by American jury. </p>
<p>She was provided with an Interpreter. The interpreter has testified. No testimony was admiited to the court that she made before she got legal counsel and the interpreter. </p>
<p>She was NOT permitted to leave as her friends were. She was told to stay in town, and was very upset about it and actually wanted out of the lease, etc and made official actions about it. She was forced to stay in Italy and could not go back to her apt. All of this is documented.</p>
<p>When the postal police arrived, before the police that she and her boyfriend were thinking of calling, they basically told them to leave. Those police came coincidently because Kercher’s phone was found thrown somewhere. Even with that info, neither Knox nor boy friend reported that the house needed to be checked out. The sequence of events in terms of reporting that something was off in that place does not match the phone calls and the other roommates stories.</p>
<p>The other roommates do not support Knox at all. They said that Merideith Kercher never locked her door. Knox said it was a usual thing. The front door was open when Knox came to the house, and again the other roommates said this was never the case as the area is not the best and Kercher, in particularly was very careful.</p>
<p>Direct conflict in times that dinner was eaten, contradicted by Sollecitos’s father. Also the need for a mop, due to broken pipes at Sollecito’s place–a reason why Knox went to her place, doesn’t make sense. </p>
<p>The motive was never satinism or rites. The Italian police and prosecuter have been pretty much on the same line in terms of motive, and yes, there has been an official motive the entire time and kept consistent. </p>
<p>There is a whole list of things that are simply not true that Knox and parents have been blitzing to the media. Not a semblance to the reality. The case is actually pretty straight forward. Yes Knox’s behavior and stories did get her on the suspect list. She unfortunately knew things, like the body was moved from the closet wher Kercher before the police did. Also knew of the multiple knife wounds. Said so to investigators, but more damning to her rooommates and Kercher’s friends. </p>
<p>Knox and family have out and out said that GUede stole Kercher’s money and cards. That was never determined. In fact, the authorities had to investigate to find out what money she might have had. Knox also said she did not know Guede, which was directly refuted </p>
<p>Whether she participate in the murder or not–there is not direct evidence that she did. It’s an inference. However, from what I have seen, the factual info, she was in the apartment, saw the carnage, touched some of it, tried to clean some of it up, and I don’t mean just the shower which neither roommates nor police believe she took, from her attire and odor when all of this was first discovered. There was a mass scrubdown that took place before Kercher’s body was officially found, and Knox had been doing some heavy duty cleaning both at her place and supposedly at Sollecito’s. Their stories never meshed, by the way, until the last version all the facts were out and both she and Sollecito, changed their stories, yet a again to match the facts, contradicting the latest version. There were a lot of official versions—not even counting the versions that the court is not using, because they cannot during a time period that Knox claims she was interrogated for hours without food or interpreter. That story has been carefully investigated and is simply not true at all.</p>
<p>The answer to all of this could be as simple as she walked into Kercher’s room and saw the carnage, took her money or touched some things, got scared she could be blamed, cleaned up and then lied. Something happened that night to have her call her mother at 3AM, a call that was initially denied until records proved it. She did something foolish, she was afraid, and she knew something was wrong in Kercher’s room, clearly her blood and Kercher’s were intermingled places. She knew things before the police discovered them as shown on record and what she said to roommates and others. </p>
<p>But Guede has not directly implicated her or Sollecito, which is puzzling if the prosecutor/police claims that all three of them did this together. Makes no sense whatsoever. It’s like it was a two hit incident. </p>
<p>So Knox and Sollecito’s stories do not explain the DNA found, the blood intermingling found, they do not really even match, but the prosecutor’s theory makes little sense either. I would feel a whole lot better about this if the Defense said that the two of the Knox and Sollecito, don’t know what happened or what they did that night as they were blitzed out of their minds and that they walked around the apartment contaminating things. and then let the defense come up with a number of probable scenarios of what could have happened instead of all of the stories the K and S have given and had to change. The problem is that it is possible that the two of them killed Kercher, and Kercher’s family, the roommates and many other who were then on the scene feel that it’s the most likely scenario. </p>
<p>There may be reasonable doubt but she is undoubtedly lying about something. Even in this morning’s interviews, something is very off about that girl and her story. </p>
<p>I tend to think along the lines of cpt. I don’t think the US should extradite her. There’s something wrong about the entire story and I don’t think that Knox is “an innocent, naive girl” but I don’t think she’s a risk the the US public deserving to be extradited to Italy to sit in a jail. She will always have this story hanging around her neck and that’s enough. </p>
<p>The single thing that I found most compelling as to her possible guilt was her blaming the owner of the bar where she worked. If you are innocent you have no reason to lie or to blame anyone else. I could never reconcile that. Also the splits and handstands in the interrogation room were reminiscent of the headstands done by Jodi Arias. Not that it proves guilt, but I have read that this sort of behavior is common among people guilty of violent crimes when they feel “cornered”.</p>