Thyroid Medication Options

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<p>OP here. My thyroid tests (on 100 mcg Levoxyl) came back within normal range (though he didn’t do a T3).</p>

<p>Hair loss - I’ve been treated for hypothyroid for 10 years. Never had an issue with hair loss (very, very thick hair). In the last few months, it’s been thinning considerably. It’s most certainly peri-menopause (I’m 49). I’m experiencing some other mild symptoms (occasional night sweats, brain fog). The thinning hair is the most distressing symptom I’m dealing with at the moment. Unfortunately, thinning hair is one of the most common symptoms of menopause. I’m going to a GYN in a few weeks to have my hormone levels checked just to be sure.</p>

<p>So, yes, if you are in your late 40’s or older, the likelihood of your hair loss being related to hormones is very great. Other than taking HRT, not sure there is much else you can do. My hope is it will level out before I’m bald. :frowning: Will report back after seeing GYN.</p>

<p>Instead of HRT, one can try Rogaine.</p>

<p>Some of you regulars may have noticed I’ve been MIA for a couple of months. I’m not quite ready to come back to CC full time, but I did remember this thread, and felt impelled to tell my story. Over two months ago I hit a wall with anxiety that was so debilitating that it turned into depression. I won’t go into details, but it was bad; I was convinced I was going to have to commit myself to a residential treatment center. I had a doctor that kept throwing psychiatric drugs at me, changing dosages, etc (I have prescriptions for four different psych drugs as of a month ago). But I wasn’t really getting any relief. Someone suggested I follow up with the endocrine surgeon who initially diagnosed my Hashimoto’s over 15 years ago; in his prime, he was considered one of the top three endocrine surgeons in the country. But it was several weeks before I could get in, and kept getting more and more depressed - I was trying everything possible… acupuncture, reiki, supplements, etc. - anything to find the answer to the problem. So I saw the endocrine surgeon last week, and low and behold, my TSH number had dropped from 2.166 in April, to .81 two weeks ago. In conversation, we discovered it happened due to one little change I made - all 15+ years I’d been taking levoxyl, I’d been taking it with other meds and food. A few months ago, someone stressed to me how important it was to take on an empty stomach and with no other foods, so I started doing that. The endocrine surgeon told me that you lose 50% of the drugs effectiveness when you take it with food and/or other medications. So you can imagine what happened… when my body was getting ALL of the medication, it was too much, and I became hyperthyroid. I have now lost almost 25 lbs. since Labor Day, too, and he was very concerned about that (no other doctors seemed to be alarmed about that because I told them all I had lost my appetite due to anxiety). He encouraged me to find a competent internist (because I had been to several specialists looking for an answer to my condition) who could oversee the transition to a new dosage. In the course of seeking out an answer, I had many, many tests done; the biggest things that came back (other than the TSH), are low vitamin D, low B12, low ferritin, and I have restless leg syndrome during stage 2 REM sleep - I have 41 leg movements per hour. Medications began to make my stomach upset, so I had an upper endoscopy last week. Esophagus is fine… stomach lining was a bit red, so she biopsied it for h pylori (which I’ve had before). I was also diagnosed (yes, I know it’s a controversial diagnosis) by my allergist with intestinal yeast overgrowth. I flew a relative up from Texas to stay with me for a week, because I couldn’t be alone during the day… it was that bad. So the endocrine surgeon immediately lowered my levoxyl from 100mcg to 88mcg, but said it would take 2-3 weeks before I’d notice any symptom changes.</p>

<p>In the meantime, since last Thursday, I’ve spent hours on the phone trying to find a competent internist who could oversee all of this (the endocrine surgeon doesn’t want to take over my primary care, and besides, his office is an hour away). He is very discouraged with the quality of internists out there these days because so many of them have been bought out by conglomerates and are dictated to by the insurance companies; he didn’t have anyone to recommend. The ones I did find out through word of mouth were either not taking any new patients, or it would be January before they could see me.</p>

<p>Today I lucked out… I was given the name of an endocrinologist downtown (yea, an hour away, but I was desperate) that is highly respected regionally. I called his office and cried mercy, saying I was in a thyroid crisis, and could I see this doctor. He was not available until next week, but one of his partners (there’s three docs in this office) had a cancellation today at 2PM. It took all of my resources, but I got my butt down there. He spent almost three hours with me, going over the whole sordid history, symptoms, etc. He also did a very thorough exam and did some more blood work (5 tubes!). My resting heart rate was 90 (when I was exercising and in shape, it was 65-66) and ketones in my urine indicated my body was breaking down fat for energy. </p>

<p>He agreed with the decrease in levoxyl dosage, but had a couple of other suggestions - that I take a 48 hour vacation from the levoxyl so that the medication will exit my system a bit quicker, even with the half life of seven days. Secondly, he wrote me a prescription for a beta blocker to help bring down my heart rate. With this, a two-day levoxyl vacation and some xanax as needed, he thinks I should see some improvements in my symptoms until the new dosage can kick in. </p>

<p>I’ve spent many, many hours educating myself since I began suspecting it was my thryoid. I would highly recommend a website by Mary Shomon… she’s a thyroid patient advocate and has written six books. Learning about the thyroid from her helped me create questions for the doctors I saw. One of the most important things I learned is that, although most labs use a reference range of around .4-4.5, the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists changed the recommendations seven years ago and are recommending a much narrower range. I’ve learned most people feel their best when it is 1-1.5. And you absolutely need to have FT3 and FT4 checked. There are so many places the thyroid’s communication with the rest of the body can break down, and TSH is not the only test a physician should order when suspecting thyroid issues. Breakdowns can occur in the conversion from the FT4 to the FT3 (you can still have a very normal TSH); it can break down in the transport to the cells; the absorption of the enzyme into the cells can be hindered; and there may be an issue with the receptors in the cells. So you can have normal blood tests, and still not be optimally treated for thyroid issues. </p>

<p>I have learned the very hard way, and I wanted to encourage anyone who has thyroid issues to find a competent doctor who will not only use the newer recommended standards, but who will also listen to how you feel, even if your TSH falls within the new standards. This new endo has said wants to see how I feel once I get up above 1, and if I’m still having hyper symptoms, he will continue to increase it, little by little until I get into the range where I feel my best. </p>

<p>My life in the last couple of months has basically consisted of sitting at home, doing next to nothing… not going out unless it was for a doctor’s appointment. My brain was foggy, I had no concentration or ability to focus (I had to make sure I had people going with me to different doctor’s appointments because I had a hard time articulating what I was experiencing, and often could not remember everything they told me). I have not worked out since early October, because I have no calories to spare. It has been a miserable existence, but as of today, I have hope that I will pull out of this. The new endocrinologist has offered to be my new primary care physician, but we’ll see how that works with him being downtown; he thinks once we get this stabilized, I shouldn’t have to see him very often. Funny thing about finding him… we have always had United Healthcare and his office doesn’t take it. During open enrollment period last month, we opted to switch to Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and his office DOES take it!</p>

<p>Anyway, I just wanted anyone here who continues to deal with ongoing thyroid issues to not give up, and find a competent physician who will look beyond the numbers. They are out there.</p>

<p>It may be a while before I am back on CC again, but I will be back once I am feeling better. If anyone has any questions about my experience/endocrinologists/etc., please feel free to PM me.</p>

<p>Hugs, teriwtt, and it’s good to hear from you.</p>

<p>WOW, teriwitt. I really hope you stat to feel better very very soon. A million thanks for taking the time and putting so much of your precious energy into sharing all this with us.</p>

<p>Take care and try to enjoy your Thanksgiving.</p>

<p>teri, I’m sorry you’re going through this and that you’re feeling so poorly, but thank you for posting such helpful information. I’m going to bookmark it so I can ask for all the extra thyroid tests at my next appt.</p>

<p>My dosage of 100 mcg never made me feel better. It just got my ‘numbers’ into their acceptable range. What really helped more than anything was B100 vitamins from Costco. That gave me more energy than anything, so I take it daily.</p>

<p>You might also be feeling foggy from restless legs issues. They called mine “periodic limb movement syndrome” and gave me remerol(sp?), as the leg movements were awakening me about 7 times per hr each night (although I didn’t remember it.) It can also be caused by low iron levels, so that’s usually checked first. The remerol is great when flying. It used to be so painful sitting in that plane seat without meds for restless legs.</p>

<p>Hope you can resolve this. Please keep us posted.</p>

<p>Wow, Teriwitt, very interesting story. That makes me more resolved to continue to pursue my own thyroid issues.</p>

<p>BTW - OP here. My FP refused to address any of my health issues, so when I saw him 6 weeks ago and I told him my hair is now falling out by the handful (it is! :frowning: ) and he said, “I hate that for you” with a smirk, I decided I needed to seek medical care elsewhere.</p>

<p>Thinking the hair loss (and other symptoms) were related to peri-menopause, I went to a highly recommended GYN. Her first comment was that kind of hair loss doesn’t occur in menopause. She said that most women will have some thinning over the years but it’s not a dramatic shed over a short period of time. She immediately said that sounds like your thyroid. I was prepared for this and whipped out my latest thyroid lab results and she said that my TSH is too high for someone with hypothyroidism, even though it was in the normal range. She increased my Levoxol too 112 mcg and said we would retest it in a few months. I haven’t seen a big change but she said it can take a little time. If this doesn’t work, I’m going to ask for a consult with an endo (there’s a major shortage of endocrinologists in my town and they only take patients by referral).</p>

<p>So while I was there she did a pelvic exam and was concerned about how swollen my abdomen is and could feel that things were not right. Turns out I have a uterus full of massive fibroids, rendering it the size of a six month pregnancy. She said this is probably contributing to a lot of my symptoms (except the hair loss). I will be having a hysterectomy after the first of the year. She said that I will feel soooo much better once this issue is taken care of. </p>

<p>I had mentioned the abdomen swelling to my FP a few times and he did several exams and said there wasn’t an issue. I even had a colonoscopy earlier this year (at my request) because I was concerned I might have colon cancer. The GYN could feel the fibroids just by pressing on my abdomen wall (actually so can I, which is why I was concerned).</p>

<p>I learned a painful lesson over the last year. If your body is telling you something is not right and your physician is telling you there’s not a problem, you need to find a new physician, even if it means going to numerous ones until you find someone who knows what they are doing. Like Teriwitt, I am going to be looking for a good internist. I am deeply disappointed in the way my FP handled this and will no longer trust him with my health.</p>

<p>Teri I will be thinking of you and praying for you. I have no great wisdom except to say that it does get better with the right treatment. I had my own thyroid crisis when I was pregnant with D2. I can totally relate to what a nightmare it is. We were encouraged strongly to abort. I refused. Eventually I found a magnificent endo who changed my life and works with my family doctor. For me, the most important thing is not to suffer from those suicidal feelings of utter hopelessness anymore. The conventional wisdom is that if you have thyroid issues, you may gain weight, have brittle hair and suffer from the cold, but depression is a huge matter that is often overlooked.</p>

<p>Good luck and God bless you Teri.</p>

<p>Teriwtt-</p>

<p>The exact same thing happened to my husband. All of a sudden, a note showed up on his medication saying to take it on an empty stomach, so he started doing so. After a while, he was close to suicidal without knowing why and went through much of the same tweaking of medication. He’s fine now, but it was very scary. By the way, my husband, I, and both of our dogs are on medication for hypothyroidism. What’s up with that?</p>

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<p>After reading this and Teriwtts story, it’s apparent that taking too much thyroid medication is even worse than taking too little. Scary stuff to realize how such a small change in medication can make such a difference. Makes you wonder how many people are walking around with these types of drug-induced psychological issues. I’m beginning to think most of the general practitioner physicians in this country don’t really have a good handle on hormones. They just throw darts at the problem and hope they hit a bull’s eye.</p>

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<p>terriwtt, it was ***on CC ***that someone told me not to take my thyroid meds with other meds. Just like you, I had taken my meds first thing in the morning with other meds for many years, and just like you, when I stopped I lost 18 lbs (bringing me to under 100 lbs!) and felt like I was going to crawl out of my skin. Again, through advice on CC I realized that I was od’d on synthroid - I was originally looking for anti anxiety meds.</p>

<p>It is appalling that a person under the care of an endocrinologist would not be told not to take the thyroid meds with other meds. And at my next appointment, my endo wanted to keep me at the same level and warned me that I would gain weight if my dosage was lowered. It’s usually kind of nice that the endo is a doctor for which I don’t have to undress, but if she had looked at my skeletal frame, would she have realized what was happening? </p>

<p>The only reason that I’m not an 80 pound raving maniac taking xanax instead of reducing my thyroid meds is because of the folks on CC - NOT due to anything my endo has said or done!!!</p>

<p>teri:</p>

<p>I hope you get your dose dialed in quickly. Sounds like an awful experience.</p>

<p>The side effects of too much synthetic thyroid are bad enough that my doc made a point of starting me of a dose that he thought would need to be increased. But, I’m guessing that most people take the stuff with food and effectively cut the dose that is actually absorbed. I’ve always taken it when I get up in the middle of the night – on a completely empty stomach. When he did the blood test after six months, the low dose (75 mcg) had brought my TSH from pretty high levels (23) down into the normal range (4.5). It’s pretty clear that the right dose is going to depend on when and how you take it. The corollary to that is that, if you’ve got a dose dialed in, you have to watch for symptoms if you change when and how you are taking it. My little system seems to be working, so I plan to stick to it. There have only been a couple mornings when I’ve gotten up and literally couldn’t remember if I took it in the middle of the night!</p>

<p>I’ve seem some suggestion that active dieting and weight loss can cut thryroid production (as metabolism slows in response to restricted diet), so I’ll probably have to watch for symptoms of too much thyroid now that my weight has stabilized, as my natural thyroid production might bounce back.</p>

<p>Of course, my doc explained none of this to me. It can’t really be covered in monosyllabic grunts. I wouldn’t even have know what thyroid is from the zero information he gave me. I did the research when he gave me the prescription because I tend to be skeptical that the popularly prescribed medications are all they are cracked up to be so I want to know the pros and cons.</p>

<p>When I picked up the prescription, the pharmacist told me to take it on an empty stomach and wait an hour before eating. I asked if I could have my morning coffee after taking it and she said, “no… nothing for an hour”. I wondered WHY they want you to take it on an empty stomach, and conversely, why other meds say take it with food. Taking it on an empty stomach allows the medication to pass quickly through the stomach for better absorbtion in the small intestine. Eating triggers digestive acids in the stomach that breaks down the medication before it can get to the small intestine.</p>

<p>I’m just glad that hand lotion now works to keep my hands from cracking! Last winter, I was literally wearing band-aids half the time because of dry cracked finger tips. Never occurred to me to think “low thyroid”, even though I was also cold all the time.</p>

<p>Interviewed another internist close to home today. She feels most people feel better when their TSH is between 1-1.5. My allergist remembers the day when TSH reference ranges were all the way up to 15! I told her about my appointment yesterday and she is in agreement with the endocrinologist, and is willing to be my primary care physician if I don’t want to use him for that. She seemed pretty tuned into looking at how someone feels as opposed to the numbers. She has one patient that feels best with a TSH of 5.</p>

<p>I also have another interview on Monday with an internist who has turned his medical career into a single practitioner concierge practice. Many years ago when I was doing some internship work at a particular hospital in our area, where he has privileges, I remember my supervisor (who’s very picky about health care practitioners, and almost always sticks to major university teaching hospitals) raving about this doctor. She really liked him. Last week I spoke with two friends who used to work at this hospital (one a nurse, who, due to having a serious medical condition 20 years ago, is very picky about physicians) and they both have excellent things to say about him. One of his priorities in patient care is communicating with all specialists who are involved in someone’s care. He basically asks the specialist to tell him how to manage a particular treatment, and he does the managing. </p>

<p>Missypie, perhaps because the endo I saw yesterday is also a primary care internist, I did have to strip for my exam; the only thing he didn’t do was a pelvic exam. He probably wouldn’t do the full physical at every visit, except annuals. What level of medication did you end up taking and what has your TSH hovered around?</p>

<p>Concierge medicine is such a new concept, that I’m not sure how I feel about it. The retainer for one year is $1600, then you pay $30/visit no matter how short or long the visit is. It includes an annual comprehensive physical. His office is less than 30 minutes from my home. You basically have 24/7 access to him through his cell phone. So I will have to weigh whether or not paying the fee will provide me with more involvement than the doctor I met with today. </p>

<p>One of the issues I’m dealing with today (started less than a week ago) is quite a bit of stomach pain. I spoke with my GI’s nurse and she said I tested negative for h pylori, which is good, but she read the report as me having gastritis due to GERD. I thought the doctor said just a red stomach lining. Evidently there were a couple of polyps she biopsied. I have been on Nexium, 40mg, twice a day for many years, but this is break through. I have asked for the doctor to call me back to talk about this as I really need something to help other than the Nexium. I also want to ask her if the hyper mode of my body could be contributing to this flare up despite my being on the Nexium. Because I’m not eating much, my stomach spends more time empty, and the acid could have more opportunity to irritate the lining. Someone else told me that being hyper is like being on speed… people who take amphetamines lose weight because it decreases their appetite as well as increases their metabolism. I have to wonder if it increases acid production, too. Hopefully I’ll find out this afternoon.</p>

<p>I have also discovered a pattern where I wake up in the morning with my heart racing the fastest it usually does all day. It is quite scary; the internist I saw today suggested I take the beta blocker right before I go to bed even if I don’t need it at night. The half life should still provide some protection eight hours later when I wake up. Will give that a try tonight. I’m finding that mornings are worse, and as the day goes on, I am more calm. This probably also has something to do with cortisol levels being higher in the AM, and lower in the PM. But it sucks!</p>

<p>I did not go back and reread this whole thread before I posted, so forgive me if I didn’t note things that had previously been posted. </p>

<p>preironic - your story of what your husband went through is very inspiring. Everyone keeps telling me I’ll get through this, but when you’re in the midst, it’s difficult. As if all of this wasn’t enough, I started having my first hot flashes three days ago, so I know the hormones are revving up (or down as the case may be). At least men don’t have to add that variable to the equation. The endocrine surgeon had suggested a small amount of bioidentical progesterone would be helpful, but the endocrinologist doesn’t want to add another variable at this time. </p>

<p>Momlive - I agree with you about taking too much can be more debilitating than taking too little, although I never want to experience either!</p>

<p>Does anybody have any experience with switching to self pay/individually purchased insurance once on medication for hypothyroidism? My reading have been gradually increasing this past year (gone from about 5.5 to 6.6 over the past year). The doctor I who gave me the results suggested that I talk to my primary care physician about possibly starting medication. I guess I have to do this, and the readings are in my chart now anyway. But I know I will have to switch insurances in about 5 years (will get kicked off ex-H’s plan when he retires then, and I will have about 10 years left before I am eligible for Medicare). I am worried about the impact of this on getting insurance (or any coverage for treatment/medication). Any experience or thoughts on this?</p>

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<p>When I read that it was like having an espresso IV, I knew what my problem was!</p>

<p>I was on 88 mcg (which for a while, was supplemented with cytomel), then last appointment she took me down to 75. Truth be told, I am experimenting…about 2 days of the 75, followed by a half 88. I am trying to be gluten free (I’ve fallen off the wagon of late) and with that, I think I can go down to 50.</p>

<p>My hypothyroid husband self pays for his endo doc who does not take insurance. It costs around $300 per visit, I believe. His meds are covered. He is stable on his med’s now for about a half decade, and is considering dropping his endo (who he loves) since he knows what his dose needs to be now pretty much routinely. He takes synthroid plus T3 (don’t know the brand). He does definitely find that changing brands makes a huge difference in how he feels. His endo likes to change brands to offer whatever is new and hubs just wants to stick with the tried and true.</p>

<p>Wow… just got off the phone with the endo. My TSH dropped from .81 to .45 in the two weeks since my last test! And my estrogen has decreased (I’m officially in perimenopause now), which means I might also need less levoxyl. He wants me to take three days off of the levoxyl, then take the .88 six days a week. I quit my statin about a month ago, just because I didn’t like being on so many drugs and my cholesterol had been relatively good. Well, it shot SKY high in one month. However, that can also be an impact of the low estrogen. Also, while I’ve only been on seroquel for about a month, it can also raise cholesterol. So another reason to get off of the seroquel. </p>

<p>I just can’t believe how much things can change in such a short time!</p>

<p>For me, at least, I’ve found the Levoxyl to be relatively inexpensive. My endocrinologist insisted I use the branded, not generic; my insurance co-pay is $10 per 30 pills, but apparently the rack rate is only about $18, so that’s not so bad (if we end up needing to be self-pay before Medicare kicks in). Also, the endocrinologist is much cheaper (rack rate) than my regular doctors, but then again, the doctors in Northern California are among the most expensive in the country (topic for another thread).</p>

<p>I ended up paying out of pocket for the first month of generic levoxol (didn’t have my drug card in my wallet) and it was $13.</p>

<p>intparent, “preexisting conditions” are a thing of the past. Get treatment for what you need treatment for, and don’t worry about it.</p>