<p>It looks like the article was from 1996? Tiger about 20. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Things go wrong many times with young adults. Dad way over the top and on a mission to mold his son. Sad in a way.</p>
<p>^Yes, very sad…he succeeded in molding an outstanding golfer, but not as successful in molding the man he had hoped his son would be.</p>
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<p>You’re right, Michelson is not the rarity. He has had cheating issues of his own.</p>
<p>Tiger for several yrs lost fans because of his attitude. If you watched him over the yrs, when he was in his mid-late 20’s he went through a dry spell and he was known for expressing his frustration on the course, especially towards fans.</p>
<p>Golf is his world, his life rotate around it. </p>
<p>I will also agree that Tiger is young and we need to realize that his youth plays into the equation. This happens everyday in the world, the difference is Tiger was placed on a pedestal. He enjoyed the limelight and the perks that come with, now he is realizing that the perks also have traps.</p>
<p>IMHO he does not deserve privacy, he put himself out there by committing the affair, the mistress does not deserve privacy, because she was caught up in his name. His wife and children, deserve privacy, they are the ones that will truly suffer the ??? behind their backs. Tiger will play next spring at Augusta, Elin will probably be there with the 2 children, the news will be first about his game and performance, if he wins it will be “this is the 1st time since …” while they show her on the 18th hole holding the two kids coming out to meet him. Meanwhile, she will have to sit in the clubhouse with wives for days knowing that he cheated on her for 50% of the time they were married. That will be awkward.</p>
<p>Gifted athletes usually have to work hard to get to where they are. It requires a single focus on one thing to the exclusion of many things that most of us take for granted. In many cases, there’s an overbearing parent running the show…which makes things even worse. And it results in an emotionally stunted individual. I would put Tiger’s emotional age at about 14.
Look at Andre Agassi. What a mess he was, reformed himself, married a good woman, had kids and is now coming clean with all the junk in his past. And getting roundly criticized.
Hopefully, this will be a wake up call for Tiger. Jerks are able to reform themselves…but it’s really hard work. I can’t see it working with this wife, but he may get a clue and do a LOT better with the next one. Maybe.</p>
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<p>Please link your sites. I even googled him with the term cheats on wife, and cheating on wife. There was nothing reputable to say he did. Just speculation, on I heard that he did by a friend who heard from another friend.</p>
<p>pima, I don’t have to link to sites. I know of this through personal friends who are in the golf ‘biz’. He’s known as a philanderer on the tour and has always been known as such. He’s very popular with the fans but his fellow pros are not fond of Phil.</p>
<p>The idea that golf doesn’t have its share of men who cheat is naive, e.g., Greg Norman, Fred Couples, Nick Faldo, Ben Crenshaw, Tom Watson, etc. etc.</p>
<p>alwaysamom-very elitist- please stop insinuating things you are not going to back up. This is not the National Enquirer.</p>
<p>alwaysamom is correct. I have heard this same thing from insiders, one of whom is a relative of one of the men alwaysamom mentioned.</p>
<p>well I don’t know about Michelson cheating…but I do remember a survey a while back rated him among the ten most hated athletes (this rating was done by his PEERS). I remember thinking…wow…looks and acts like a nice guy to me. Proves that this image thing means nothing.</p>
<p>This was a post from one of my athletic forums</p>
<p>"Some of the guys I used to compete with and that play against him now marvel at what he can do on the course and generally none of them want to hang out with him off the course. Why? Basically he’s a phony to them. I guess they called that one pretty well. Great athlete - flawed person. </p>
<p>What pi$$ed to make him so and this creates the ultimate fall and the attempts to cover it up or hide it. See Jordan, A-Fraud, McGuire, Sosa, Marion Jones, and on and on. It sucks when reality interrupts a corporate fantasy land."</p>
<p>Always, let’s take you at face value that it is true about Phil. Is Phil the golden boy among fans? YES! Is he human? YES. If he cheated on his wife, then like Tiger it is between the two of them. The only difference IMVHO is that Phil does not seek the limelight or the glory. He seems grounded.</p>
<p>Tone, I agree and disagree.</p>
<p>I have a different perspective as being a child of a man who had professional success, money and everything only to p*ss it away on having an affair. My mother was madly in love with him, she stayed for as long as she could. Had my father given up his mistress (15 yrs younger then him), they would have probably made it. I have seen the pain upfront and personal that adultery causes. Tiger could be sorry to his bones, but the ball is now in Elin’s court and she needs to find her own answers. If Tiger can not fulfill her needs of creating trust it is over, and that may be the reason it ends, which would be his failure. If she cannot forgive him than that is her issue/failure regarding the marriage. Let’s remember a key statement in marital vows is FOR BETTER OR WORSE. Both need to make their own personal decision to stay or go. Neither should be faulted or deemed in a negative light if it is over.</p>
<p>Here would be my piece of advice to Tiger if I could give him any:
You keep answering every question until she stops asking. Be a man and say I f*d up!</p>
<p>Like I said I saw it up front, I can remember the fights, the tears my Mom shed, the pain of that 1st Christmas when she found out, etc.</p>
<p>Getting back to Tiger’s father; Didn’t Eldrick Woods Sr. essentially abandon the kids from his previous marriage, having little or no contact with them once he re-married and fathered Tiger? If true, you can’t say that he passed along lessons about character and personal relationships to Tiger.</p>
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Or maybe just not the lessons he thought he was passing.</p>
<p>Yes, he did and he also had a bitter divorce with Tiger’s mother, @ a decade+ ago. I remember watching that competition, because it was only just revealed that they had separated, and the folks were there, but as a viewer it was apparent of the strain when he won. I may be incorrect, but I believe that was also the time the media started to realize he had the tradition of RED SHIRT SUNDAY. Like Payne wearing colors of the pro football team that he was playing near.</p>
<p>intparent–I was skeptical at first. However, if 20% of the married women having extramarital affairs (using 50% of all married women having such affairs), conceive with “the other man,” you have the 10% of kids born in marriages not fathered by the husband.</p>
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<p>My point related to Tiger is that infidelity isn’t limited to celebrities (much less just sports celebs), to males or to those seeking out a young, sexual hottie. Tiger was unfaithful (apparantly repeatedly) and got caught. This doesn’t “prove” or represent anything other than that.</p>
<p>Is a husband cheating while the wife is pregnant “worse” than the wife conceiving with another man? Seems like cheating is cheating.</p>
<p>Do I understand that to many Tiger gets more criticism because they feel he has attempted to project a better than you or holier than thou persona? Yep.</p>
<p>Do I hope Tiger and Elin can actually work through this? Oh, yes.</p>
<p>07Dad - I have appreciated your posts.
I don’t get all the <em>shock</em> and demands for explanations on this. Goodness - why should a grown man have to explain to ABC News or even the police where he was going at 2:30 in the morning. That is between he and his wife.
Fact is - no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors.<br>
If Elin loves him and he loves her - then I hope they can work through this. She has nothing to be ashamed of, Hillary held her head high and stayed with Bill. Her decision hasn’t hurt her any.</p>
<p>I’m sure that this post will be unpopular to say the least, but I just wanted to point out one thing.</p>
<p>I am not attempting the blame the victim here, but rather just commenting that Elin Nordegren was a former “swimsuit model” who dropped out of her first year of college to become an au pair for the wife of golfer Jesper Parnevik.</p>
<p>According to this article, Woods “begged” his buddy Parnevik to set him up with Elin, and a romance “bloomed” shortly thereafter.</p>
<p>I think that most intelligent women know that there is some risk in marrying a very rich, successful, entitled professional athlete. To be sure, there are some serious perks, and some may wonder if a woman who decides to do this has not weighed the risks and benefits. I don’t know if she married for love or money, but when one’s love interest is as rich and successful as Tiger, there is always the possiblity that the non-college educated childcare worker may have seen the marriage as an excellent (and lucky) opportunity. The fact is that there was a great imbalace in the relationship between Tiger and Elin, and I’m sure he felt pretty safe in carrying on his activities that he has probably always done (and which Elin could easily have been another in a long, long line of) if he hadn’t considered her good breeding material and a classy professional golfer’s wife.</p>
<p>I think that Tiger’s continuous cheating is abominable (why get married?), but no one knows what kind of a person Elin actually is. She has reportedly kept much to herself, and it certainly may be plausible that she had other interests besides “love” when she married Tiger. Just speculating. In fact, all of the material I’ve read in the past about Swedish au pairs stresses that most of these girls are looking for “opportunity,” and they are obviously employed by well-off people. Elin found opportunity, but there was definitely a downside to it. A major one.</p>
<p>I personally would want more parity in a relationship.</p>
<p>[Shy</a> Elin Nordegren’s perfect rep on thin ice - BostonHerald.com](<a href=“http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?articleid=1215688]Shy”>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?articleid=1215688)</p>
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<p>sevmom, how is what I said elitist? And are you honestly demanding that I not post something for which I don’t have a link to a source? Have you read this thread? It’s filled with comments, speculation, statements and opinions by everyone posting here, none of which are known to be fact. What I posted I know to be fact. Feel free to disbelieve it but please, don’t direct your demands solely at me if you want people to back up what they post.</p>
<p>pima, I’m not sure that Tiger seeks the “limelight and glory” any more than Michelson does. They’re probably ranked #1 and #3 at the moment and are likely the top two highest paid athletes in the world. Both earn millions and millions of dollars from endorsements. If anything, Tiger has kept his private life more private than Michelson has. Most of these professional athletes enjoy the many perqs that come with the territory. I don’t think either of these two men is an exception.</p>
<p>Watching a news report right now, and it is being reported that what is going on behind closed doors in the way of “counseling” is that the lawyers are negotiating changes to Tiger’s pre-nup. <em>rofl</em> Apparently, Elin is being paid off to stay for a much bigger share in a few years than what she would have gotten. I’d say my speculation above was pretty accurate. :rolleyes:</p>