<p>Looking- if D1 has read a newspaper in the last year she’s really golden! Extra points for reading the editorial page.</p>
<p>Maybe that CNN is her homepage?</p>
<p>It seems to me that being provincial entails, by definition, not realizing you’re provincial. Just like being deceived, by definition, means you don’t realize you’re deceived. So to separate out NE provincials by saying they don’t know they’re just as provincial as provincial people from other regions, is a silly, nitpicky distinction. That accusation needs to be given up entirely, not further expanded.</p>
<p>Ok, really, I give 
Not worth it!</p>
<p>GFG-- did you not say you wanted to talk about hiring? How it works?</p>
<p>Why are you attacking the hiring authorities who’ve come on here to talk about it?</p>
<p>You yourself said that someone who went to school in Boston wouldn’t want to work in Charlotte. Well, the jobs are in Charlotte, no matter how boring they think the town is. Such is life.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m done, too.</p>
<p>Have at it.</p>
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<p>I, for one, want to hear more about hiring practices and strategies for fresh graduates. While it’s not immediately relevant for my kid, it’s something we don’t discuss much on these parent boards.</p>
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<p>As if the life of a young twentysomething in an entry-level banking job in Charlotte is really all that appreciably different from the life of a young twentysomething in an entry-level banking job in Boston. Please. It’s the same thing.</p>
<p>Lorem, I love my work and could talk about it all day.</p>
<p>The biggest misconception I see is that students believe what they see on TV. So if you want a job in television you have to be in NY or LA. If you want a career in finance it has to be at Goldman Sachs. If you love Art you have to work at the National Gallery as an assistant curator. And that you will live like the gang on Friends- a funky apartment, eating out all the time, constant bar hopping and cute clothes buying, etc.</p>
<p>Reality is thus: First job out of college is at a public television station in St Louis. And you’re not doing program acquisition-- you are learning to run a telethon/fundraising drive, and negotiating with the vendor when the coffee mugs get delivered with the logo upside down. Or first job in finance is with a public utility in Jacksonville Florida being an analyst and learning how bonds get priced, or why the cost of electricity varies, or why hedging coal or natural gas is important. Or your first job in the art world is at a museum in Cincinnati where you give tours to third graders when you’re not updating the website or figuring out why the landscaping bill increased 30% last summer or tracking down a shipment of new brochures which got sent out two weeks ago but never arrived.</p>
<p>Nobody wants to hear this. </p>
<p>However, all of these organizations hire new college grads (even if only the utility can afford to do on-campus recruiting) and there are lots of ways a college student can maximize their chances of getting a job in “their field” by being flexible and creative in their thinking. Everyone on this board likes to complain that you can’t get a job without experience- which is only partially true. What is true is that nobody is getting hired as a senior curator at a major art museum (or at an auction house) without prior experience. Which is what in our day we all called “paying our dues”.</p>
<p>A young neighbor of mine wants a job as a political strategist. Hey-- that’s a very easy career path. You start as a volunteer and envelope stuffer (or the digital equivalent) on a campaign, then get hired as an hourly worker, then get bumped up to Assistant Press Secretary or Policy Aide or whatnot. 10 years later after working the bus, handling logistics for numerous campaigns, eating too much soggy pizza, and managing the latest media crises-- there you go. Someone hires you as a political strategist.</p>
<p>But no- she wants to start as a strategist and doesn’t want to hear from me that it all starts at the bottom.</p>
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<p>Wait! They have jobs in St. Louis? ;)</p>
<p>Blossom, it sounds like “Goldman Sachs or bust” is simply the next stanza in that ever-popular song “Ivy or bust.”</p>
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<p>If you’re just talking about one’s working life, that’s largely true. However, there are differences, especially outside working hours. </p>
<p>While Charlotte is a nice city and I have several banking industry friends happily living and working there, they’ll be the first to admit it’s no Boston. </p>
<p>Differences in city cultures, activities available, etc are such that what may be appealing to those who enjoy living/working in one city may not appealing if they were moved to the other. </p>
<p>One major stumbling block for some of those friends if they had to work in Boston…their perceptions that NE folks…especially Bostonians tend to be much colder/aloof socially than their fellow Charlotte neighbors. </p>
<p>Another is the fact they may have to deal with living next to a higher concentration of undergrads/young grad students from multiple universities. A prospect most of them would rather be a permanent part of their undergrad pasts.</p>
<p>Thanks, cobrat. It must be on fire cuz it’s taking a while to get into the server.</p>
<p>LI - no matter how good someone is, contacts really work and people who hired you before always hire you back if you worked hard for them. One of my friends moved around quite a bit and took a new job every two years, incrementally moving up (this seems to help upward mobility a lot btw). So he was a manager in a well known company in Ark (you can guess) and then took two other jobs after that moving to VP level and his director hired him back as a VP because he had moved up to exec vice president a few years ago. </p>
<p>I have not looked around in a while but the last time I interviewed in 2008 or so, most of them came my way because my ex-boss’ spouse recommended me. So I would show up and they go, ok she is a partner and we had to interview you, how well do you know her. I did get hired but did not take it.</p>
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<p>One thing I find very interesting is how PG’s assertion that people need to move around the country is something that may not be available to some minority groups due to their lived past histories/firsthand experiences with prejudice/bigotry in certain areas of the country. </p>
<p>My older Chinese-American supervisor’s mid-'90s experience at a rural Georgia gas station with a shotgun toting racist threatening him and the local cops not taking his report too seriously is one factor in why he’s not eager to move to the SE anytime soon. </p>
<p>Is he “too provincial” by being traumatized by that experience to the point he or other minorities won’t relocate to the SE, Midwest, or rural parts known as “real America”* to some Americans? </p>
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<p>cobrat, I’m well aware of all the “reasons” people want to stay where they are.</p>
<p>I’m even aware that many people have stayed in dying steel and car towns after the factories closed.</p>
<p>But, it doesn’t change the fact that there just aren’t that many jobs being created in the northeast anymore. And the jobs in finance that exist are being fought over by people who are really experienced and good at what they do. I don’t understand the obsession with finance, but if a kid wanted to get into finance, I’d recommend a willingness to move to where the finance jobs really are over a willingness to go to a less than 10% admit rate school.</p>
<p>Better odds.</p>
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<p>As someone who saw many of those people who stayed in dying areas during my undergrad years, a large part of that is a combination of losing long-established community ties and a lack of financial resources to move. While relocation costs may not be that big of a deal for you or me, it can be for many in the working-class…especially if there’s no remote guarantee there will be a job or a welcoming community at the new place.</p>
<p>Not to mention there has been past histories of poor folks facing discrimination in new communities by the older more established recipients. </p>
<p>One only need to read about the Okies and Arkies of the Great Depression era to see how relocating for jobs is full of new cans of worms for those who already have overloaded plates of burdens to deal with.</p>
<p>Well, I don’t know what I can say to you about the okies, Corbat. Except I don’t think they were pursuing a job in finance.</p>
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<p>I was addressing why people from old steel or manufacturing towns are reluctant to relocate. It’s understandable if one just looks at recent American history from the Great Depression era.</p>
<p>True. But a person with the desire to work in finance ought to be able to do the math on this, imho.</p>
<p>We’re really not talking about all the reasons some may choose to stay in one area. Rather, what it takes to get established in a career. Not talking about 20 years ago. Problems exist but so does progress.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder why some have such fixed ideas the south is an impossible place to live. Wonder if it’s its own stereotyping. There’s culture, education, intelligence, striving- and I daresay, plenty of Yankees who’ve made the move.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, even a cursory examination of history reveals how the passage of time does not always result in greater levels of progress. One only need to look at how the WWII Axis powers actually devolved from quasi/full-fledged democracies to becoming Fascist totalitarian dictatorships within a matter of a decade or in the US…how the US…especially southern states actually backslid from electing AA congressmen in the late 1860’s-'70s to officially recognizing Jim Crow de jure discrimination/segregation as “constitutional” by the mid-1890’s.</p>