To Quit or Not to Quit Boy Scouts

[BalconyBoy]

<p>Wanna discuss something else?</p>

[Baelor]

<p>Not really.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>Why? Reason?</p>

[Baelor]

<p>I’m just done.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>Hmmmm… You don’t seem like a quitter to me.</p>

[Baelor]

<p>That’s because I’m not. It’s over. There’s nothing to quit. If you no longer go to classes after your graduation, it’s not quitting. It’s acknowledging that something has ended and moving on.</p>

<p>Which is exactly what I am doing.</p>

[Greenery]

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One could certainly ask anyone to intercede on one’s behalf.

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<p>Yep, that’s true!</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>It’s never over Baelor.</p>

<p>By anyone are you referring to a living anyone?</p>

[Greenery]

<p>Read post 305: Ditto.
Here is the process:</p>

<p>1) Pray to God (one can do so by addressing prayers to God, the Father, the Son, and/or the Holy Spirit)</p>

<p>2) Ask others who are alive to pray to God for us</p>

<p>3) Ask those in Heaven to pray to God for us, because the belief is that those in Heaven are capable of worshiping God through prayer, although prayer is not necessarily worship</p>

<p>In other words, because those in Heaven are capable of prayer, we ask them to pray for us to God, just as we ask those on Earth to pray to God for us; Re</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>1) Completely agree.
2) Completely agree.
3) These people are deceased and you don’t know if they are in heaven.</p>

[Baelor]

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It’s never over Baelor.

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<p>Yes, it is. We’ve deconstructed the positions to the point where assumptions are being made, which is as far as we can go.</p>

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3. These people are deceased and you don’t know if they are in heaven.

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<p>Wrong, because by construction the prayer is such that it explicitly asks those in Heaven to pray for us. You can obviously know that those in Heaven are…in Heaven.</p>

<p>Furthermore, the belief is that saints are certainly in Heaven, and Mary is also in Heaven. Another belief is that those in Heaven can intercede.</p>

<p>So at no point are people praying to people they do not believe can answer.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>I’m still puzzled as to the necessity to pray to dead people. I understand and agree with asking the living to pray for you. You don’t pray to them you ask them to pray for you. Big difference. Why pray to anyone other than God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit? What is the reason?</p>

[Baelor]

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I’m still puzzled as to the necessity to pray to dead people.

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<p>I. DO. NOT. PRAY. TO. THEM. IN. THE. SENSE. OF. ASKING. THEM. FOR. ANYTHING. I. ASK. THEM. TO. PRAY. ON. MY. BEHALF, BECAUSE. I. BELIEVE. THEY. CAN. DO. SO. IN. HEAVEN. AND. ARE. SPIRITUALLY. ALIVE. Let me know how many times I have to repeat that so I can put them all in the next post. Or let me know whether there is no limit because your reading comprehension is at such an abysmally low level that you will never understand what I am saying.</p>

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You don’t pray to them you ask them to pray for you. Big difference.

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<p>THAT. IS. EXACTLY. WHAT. I. DO. TO. MARY. AND. THE. SAINTS. NO. DIFFERENCE. SAME. THING.</p>

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Why pray to anyone other than God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit? What is the reason?

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<p>JESUS. IS. GOD. THE. FATHER. IS. GOD. THE. HOLY. SPIRIT. IS. GOD. I. DO. NOT. PRAY. TO. ANYONE. ELSE. IN. THE. WAY. I. PRAY. TO. GOD.</p>

<p>Clearly, rationally and meticulously explaining myself failed on a miserable level, so I tried something new.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

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I. DO. NOT. PRAY. TO. THEM. IN. THE. SENSE. OF. ASKING. THEM. FOR. ANYTHING. I. ASK. THEM. TO. PRAY. ON. MY. BEHALF, BECAUSE. I. BELIEVE. THEY. CAN. DO. SO. IN. HEAVEN. AND. ARE. SPIRITUALLY. ALIVE.

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<p>Asking them to pray for you is different than asking them for what? A new car?</p>

<p>Is it possible God can’t handle all the prayers?</p>

[Baelor]

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asking them to pray for you is different than asking them for what? A new car?

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<p>Yes. They. Can. Pray. For. Me. They. Cannot. Give. Me. A. New. Car. In. The. Same. Way. That. You. Can. Pray. For. Someone. Else. But. Not. Make. A. Car. Appear. For. Them. </p>

<p>People. In. Heaven. == people. On. Earth. In. Terms. Of. Capability. Of. Prayer.</p>

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is it possible god can’t handle all the prayers?

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<p>no.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>OK. So you pray to people in heaven & ask them to pray to God for you. Any person in heaven or only a select few?</p>

[Baelor]

<p>I’m done. I have already answered that question many times. You can either reread my posts and nitpick at the problems you have with what I am saying and I will respond if they prompt something new, or you can continue posting without my contributions and hope that someone else shares my love of your utter imbecility, or you can research different religious beliefs on prayer, or you can stop. I don’t care. But I am no longer repeating myself, so work around it.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>I still stand by the fact there is nothing Biblical regarding praying to people in heaven. And since you don’t think the Bible is the sole source of truth we are at a stand still.</p>

[Baelor]

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I still stand by the fact there is nothing Biblical regarding praying to people in heaven. And since you don’t think the Bible is the sole source of truth we are at a stand still.

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<p>That’s nice. For the record:</p>

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So either provide something concrete or acknowledge that this is a difference in assumptions.

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It’s just a different set of assumptions.

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We can keep talking, but ultimately we will never reach any sort of resolution because we are making different assumptions

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This isn’t going anywhere.

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we are indeed making assumptions.

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So unless you have something else to contribute, let’s just stop.

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We know. The end, please?

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It’s acknowledging that something has ended and moving on.

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<p>Thanks for the inane discussion.</p>

[BalconyBoy]

<p>WOW. Someone needs a hug.</p>