To Reduce Inequality, Abolish Ivy League

A oped from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/01/glenn-reynolds-reduce-inequality-abolish-ivy-league-elitist-discrimination-column/74998648/

The problem of “inequality” looms over America like a storm cloud. According to our political and journalistic class, inequality is the single biggest problem facing our nation, with the possible exception of climate change. It is a desperate problem demanding sweeping solutions. President Obama calls it the “defining challenge of our time.” Hillary Clinton says we’re living in a throwback to the elitist age of "robber barons.” Bernie Sanders says inequality is the result of a "rigged economy” that favors those at the top while holding down those at the bottom.

In that spirit, I have a modest proposal: Abolish the Ivy League. Because if you’re worried about inequality among Americans, I can think of no single institution that does more to contribute to the problem.

As former Labor secretary Robert Reich recently noted, Ivy League schools are government-subsidized playgrounds for the rich: “Imagine a system of college education supported by high and growing government spending on elite private universities that mainly educate children of the wealthy and upper-middle class, and low and declining government spending on public universities that educate large numbers of children from the working class and the poor.

Oh good grief. Honestly? You don’t think the U.S. has more pressing things to worry about? Hint, check out the Affordable Care Act thread.

Mentions Stanford, which is in the Pac-12.

Also, abolishing an athletic conference will not by itself change the problems that the author sees.

In many ways I find this perspective very flawed. What about those generous need-based packages?

Can’t say that I think dissolving the Ivy League will solve the woes of the country.

Unbelievable.

The absurdity of such a proposal is jaw dropping. Disband eight private institutions – under what reasons? Populist nonsense.

Absurd beyond comprehension.

LOl. Doing away with everything wanted by everyone won’t make things equitable-but will reduce everything to the lowest denominator. The Ivy League schools are not a problem for the overwhelming majority of students applying to college.

“We should eliminate the tax deductibility of contributions to schools having endowments in excess of $1 billion.”

Refine this to take into account per-student assets, and I’d be intrigued.

I’d be cool with this proposal if we can also start taxing churches.

There are a lot of people in the Ivies who complain against income inequality. Perhaps we can have education taxes for schools so that the richer schools subsidize the poorer ones.

The author of the editorial in the op uses the term “modest proposal” more than once yet I’m not seeing the Swift wit. Weird and poorly written, IMO.

Unbelievable, the author obviously has no idea just how generous and welcoming these schools are towards poor students.

Disband 8 private institutions?

read the article it talks about changes

One of the sillier proposals I’ve heard.

What does “abolish the Ivy League” even entail? Disbanding an athletic conference?

What next? Disband the Big 10?

I don’t, however, have an issue w phasing out a school’s tax deduction about a certain income threshold. Dunno why Harvard should get tax-free income on their 37 billion dollar endowment when it is charging tuition to its students but earns so much income from endowment annually that it could charge free tuition plus pay for a ferrari for all its students. What’s the point of rewarding a school for excessive hoarding?

Hmm… as someone who taught in a school where kids had to take home food every day in order to make sure they ate in the afternoons, I think we have bigger issues.

Wow. Talk about overstating the impact of a handful of colleges.

Okay. So the big complaint about these schools is that their graduates are successful.

Hmmm.
If these schools are successful, should we A.) Try to find a way to copy what they are doing that works or B.) Abolish these successful schools? lol

“We should require that university admissions be based strictly on objective criteria such as grades and SAT/ACT scores”

I wonder why so many people assume the SAT is such a perfect measure of academic ability. It’s not. It’s just another test, and while it certainly does give some information, all it really tells you is how well the student answers multiple choice questions on a few basic topics in a hurry. At the high end, it’s more a measure of how fast you read and how accurately you work.

The college board used to have some data on its website which they removed a few years ago. I wish I had thought to download it, because it was quite interesting. If I recall correctly, it showed that 80% of students who scored very high were not able to replicate their score upon retake. And the average loss was something like 50 points. Lots of students post multiple scores on this site and you can see them bouncing around. What are we to make of scores going down? If these scores are such an accurate measure of student skills, how can they often go down? Did the student get dumber? These tests simply aren’t as reproducible as the college board would like people to think. Which is why I think it’s silly for people to make such a big deal about fairly small differences in scores.

I’m sure when the new SAT comes out there will be students saying it’s easier and students saying it’s harder. Scores will go up and scores will go down. So which “perfect” measure of their academic ability do we use–the new “perfect” measure or the old “perfect” measure?

We already have this situation with the ACT and the SAT–plenty of students take both and do substantially better on one than the other. What is the “true” measure then? How is it fair to the student who excels on both SAT and ACT that another student who can excel on only one of the two exams gets the same “objective” score? If we use either score would it not be fairer to require all students to take both exams and count them both since evidently they do not measure the same exact thing, or else scores would be the same?

And what are we measuring? Do we care about the “achievement” of getting a high SAT score? Or do we care about what that score may indicate about a student’s aptitude? I’d say we should care about the latter, and if we do, we need to take into account the fact that some students will, because of their environment and opportunities, score higher than others with comparable ability. Isn’t it more fair to try to evaluate the score within a larger context?

And what about those grades? How do you compare grades when some kids take harder classes or more classes than others? How do you compare grades when an A is a 93 in one school and a 90 in another? How do you compare grades when one school hands out A’s like candy and another school makes it near impossible to get straight A’s?

I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to having admissions be much more heavily exam-based, but I would hope the exams would be much better ones than the SAT/ACT. I recently heard another admissions officer talk. And, yes, he said the SAT is not the most important thing to us.

Isn’t that what the SAT and ACT are for?