Tom Campbell wants LA and Berkeley to cost as much as Stanford

[UCSDJake12]

<p>[George</a> F. Will: Tom Campbell is one long shot to watch | Oakland Tribune | Find Articles at BNET](<a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20090828/ai_n35560896/]George”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20090828/ai_n35560896/)</p>

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An especially intriguing candidate in a colorful field is Tom Campbell. Colorful he is not. “Talk softly and carry a small calculator” could be his motto. What glitter, however, are his resume and agenda.</p>

<p>He has a Harvard law degree and a doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago, where his faculty adviser was Milton Friedman. He clerked for Supreme Court Justice Byron White. Working in the Reagan administration in 1983, in the wake of a severe recession, he assumed Reagan would lose in 1984 (“proof of my political acumen,” he says; Reagan carried 49 states) and accepted a professorship at Stanford’s law school. He represented Silicon Valley in Congress for five terms. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for Senate in 1992. He won the nomination in 2000, but lost the election. His third statewide run might work because, after Arnold Schwarzenegger’s childlike faith in personality as the conqueror of problems, blandness may be charismatic.</p>

<p>He thinks Berkeley and UCLA are providing an education comparable to Stanford’s and should be priced accordingly, with higher tuition and compensating scholarships for the needy.

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<p>Terrible idea IMO, the middle class already has a hard time paying for college, they need good affordable state schools especially in this economy.</p>

[lynxinsider]

<p>Supply, meet Demand.</p>

[hmom5]

<p>Makes sense to me. These schools will contine to decline if a new source of revenue isn’t found. CA is broke and that’s not changing anytime soon.</p>

[silverturtle]

<p>Ah, the inevitability of it all.</p>

[xiggi]

<p>Interesting that his bio mentions his tenure at Stanford, but overlooks a larger part of his and his spouse’s connections to other schools in California. </p>

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In 1988, Tom again entered public service. Tom served as a United States Congressman for five terms representing districts in the Silicon Valley. </p>

<p>In 1992, Berkeley’s Center for Research in Management hired Susanne to help establish a business school in St. Petersburg, Russia. She was the Executive Director of that program for 16 years.</p>

<p>In 2002, Tom was appointed Dean of the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley. </p>

<p>In 2009, Tom and Susanne took a leave of absence to move to Southern California where he joined the Chapman University School of Law in Orange County as the inaugural Presidential Fellow and Visiting Professor of Law.

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<p>Hardly someone offering an unbiased opinion based on recent … knowledge!</p>

[IBclass06]

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He thinks Berkeley and UCLA are providing an education comparable to Stanford’s and should be priced accordingly, with higher tuition and compensating scholarships for the needy.

Clearly Berkeley and UCLA already think so for some students.</p>

<p>Stanford: $53,652
Berkeley OOS: $50,982
UCLA OOS: $49,278</p>

<p>I have to admit that I’m surprised he apparently wants higher tuition for the needy. Who wrote that awkwardly phrased sentence? :eek:</p>

[jazzymom]

<p>Berkeley compares well with Stanford in terms of numbers of distinguished faculty. There are 214 members of the National Academy of Science at Cal and 264 at Stanford.</p>

<p>By way of comparison: Harvard (284), MIT (239), Yale, (106), Princeton (101).</p>

<p>Surprisingly, the runner up for distinction of next highest NAS members in CA is UCSD (110) rather than UCLA (73). UCLA is a great university, but if there was any public uni that deserved to go private with comparable tuition rates, it’s Berkeley. </p>

<p>Source: <a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[sakky]

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I have to admit that I’m surprised he apparently wants higher tuition for the needy. Who wrote that awkwardly phrased sentence?

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<p>Well, if you’re needy, then presumably you would be provided one of those compensating scholarships, right? </p>

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Terrible idea IMO, the middle class already has a hard time paying for college, they need good affordable state schools especially in this economy.

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<p>While the middle class may indeed be struck hard by any changes, let’s not forget that plenty of rich Californians have also benefitted from cutrate instate costs. I can think of one particular Berkeley student who was born with a trust fund of which the interest alone was easily enough to cover all of his Berkeley tuition, and probably the rest of his living costs as well. I believe his trust fund consisted of state municipal bonds, which meant that he wouldn’t pay taxes to the state either. But because he’s a California state resident, he still received a state subsidy.</p>

[hmom5]

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Surprisingly, the runner up for distinction of next highest NAS members in CA is UCSD

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<p>It’s actually not surprising. Location, location, location. Unfortunately, it has zero to do with educating undergrads.</p>

<p>To me the measure is student bodies, and UCB is considerably behind Stanford on that measure. If it were opened up to more OOS students and wasn’t constantly in budget crisis, that would change quickly.</p>

[Alex7592]

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Supply, meet Demand.

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<p>End conversation.</p>

[Coolbrezze]

<p>Yeah UC-LA and UC-Berkeley are really great universities, but are a lot more close minded to out of state students than Stanford ofcourse. With Califorinas once reputation of serving the country etc… ( which all states do in great numbers), I don’t know why they closed doors to out of state students with their universities by large ( if they didn’t do such, likey the CSUs would be highly recognized also due to high competition within UCs since allowing out of staters in greater numbers). California ( at least from my understanding) role once was seen very different than many states.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

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If it were opened up to more OOS students and wasn’t constantly in budget crisis, that would change quickly.

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but are a lot more close minded to out of state students than Stanford ofcourse.

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<p>Berkeley is going to admit more OOS students.
[08.26.2009</a> - Chancellor Birgeneau speaks out on the budget crisis](<a href=“http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2009/08/26_fuBirgeneau_Q&A.shtml]08.26.2009”>08.26.2009 - Chancellor Birgeneau speaks out on the budget crisis)

First of all, there has to be new revenue, including increased fees, though that will be determined by the regents. I also think that we will inevitably see a change in the mix of our students — we will see more out-of-state students than we currently have, because out-of-state students pay their full cost of education.

At Berkeley, because of our history and our preeminence, we have many options, whether it’s philanthropy or being able to control the mix of in-state and out-of-state students — we have options that some of the other UC campuses, especially the younger ones, do not have.

Everyone should be clear about one thing: We are not going to let Berkeley deteriorate.

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[RML]

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Supply, meet Demand.

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<p>Watch this:</p>

<p>The idea is that: the rich should be paying more, the middle class should be paying less and the poor shouldn’t be paying anything.</p>

[hmom5]

<p>Given that anyone with a 3.0 can get into Merced or Riverside and kids with 2.0s get into CSUs, I’m not sure that local TV station told the whole story. This is not the case in most other states.</p>

<p>And yes, Berkeley will be taking more OOS students, but we’ll see how many will come. Their historic yield of OOS students is half that of in state. Now with the budget crisis, many will think really hard about forking over $50K/yr.</p>

[sofla951]

<p>small outside scholarships I pay nowhere near that to attend. Also the yield for international students is quite good. If Berkeley accepts more OOS students I am sure more will apply and eventually yield will increase. Kids back east I know don’t apply because they heard Berkeley is very harsh on OOS applicants and also the art requirement is a nuisance for some. I think Berkeley should admit more OOS students it will only help the school’s financial situation and may strengthen its reputation for undergrad on the east coast. Plus Berkeley needs to and is probably going to be cutting enrollment which I feel is a must. I read recently it has 9,000 extra students that are not covered by the state. It will be interesting to see what Berkeley does in the coming years. Honestly while I believe Berkeley should be majority Californian if the state only supports 25 percent of the university’s budget than I see no reason why it should be almost 90 percent Californian. Can anyone confirm one thing though I heard somewhere 80% of students at Berkeley from CA? Also I recently went to a meeting where the head of the patent office talked of how the university helps incubate startups by students and professors but was unimpressed by what Berkeley made off royalties for the many patents it has. Does anyone know exactly how much Berkeley makes off these patents I can’t remember how much but it certainly wasn’t that much, especially for a research powerhouse like Berkeley.</p>

[sofla951]

<p>Also is there anyone who can explain why the cost of education has exploded so much. It’s a complex issue I’m sure but what is the biggest expense in running a university. I know most privates charge around 35,000 for tuition and publics say it cost around the same to educate instate students but I really don’t see how it could be that expensive. Education costs really started increasing early this decade. Was there an education bubble caused by inflating endowments that allowed universities to increase salaries and spend recklessly on bloated salaries to lure and keep superstar professors from other universities?</p>

[RML]

<p>The point softla is, many OOS wouldn’t want to attend Berkeley because it has this notorious reputation that many of its undergrad won’t have access to the faculty, which, in my opinion, is why many of them apply to Berkeley in the first place. I have not studied undergrad at Berkeley so I cannot comment as to its truthfulness, but if you have, please share you experiences as an undergrad student there. Don’t you really have access to your prof at Berkeley?</p>

[IBclass06]

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@sofla951

If Berkeley accepts more OOS students I am sure more will apply and eventually yield will increase. Kids back east I know don’t apply because they heard Berkeley is very harsh on OOS applicants and also the art requirement is a nuisance for some.

On the contrary, Berkeley is admitting plenty of OOS students. The thing is, only 19% of them want to come.</p>

<p>Forget OOS students. If Berkeley was smart, it would admit more international students. International students have an even higher yield than in-state students.</p>

<p>The alternate thing to do, of course, would be to cut graduate enrollment. Funding each graduate student gets quite expensive. Out of necessity, this is one tack Berkeley is taking.</p>

[toast_eater]

<p>What a horror show for the middle and upper middle class if this proposal ever gained any traction. People need good affordable state schools and are completely unable to finance the Robin Hood system Campbell proposes. If this happens the Republican party will be permanently vanished from the State of California. Campbell should go back to Sherwood Forest.</p>

[toast_eater]

<p>This would create incredible inequities. Take for instance the mother who stayed in the workforce to save up for her kid’s Berkeley or UCLA tuition who would now have to pay a higher tuition to subsidize stay at home moms who saved nothing! Private colleges can attack normal middle class people for their social experiments but taxfpayer funded public schools do this at their own peril. If such a system were ever to take place, the public in California would de fund UCLA and Berkeley in a nano-second through the referendum system.</p>