Tonight Show - and musings about late night

<p>I grew up with Carson and sometimes watched Dick Cavett (who had the best musical guest ever, Sly & The Family Stone blowing out Everyday People and Sly, who went to Julliard, free rhyming his interview). Dick was good when the guests were good but he wasn’t the best entertainer as host so he couldn’t perk up the show on his own. </p>

<p>Johnny was amazing in the years he was engaged, but there was a stretch when it seemed he was just there. The best celebrity segment I ever saw was his with an apparently drunk Peter O’Toole. Peter came on with a lit cigarette, put it down and, being drunk, fumbled around for another. So Johnny politely lit that one while continuing to ask questions. Which seemed to distract Peter so he tried to light another cigarette while he had two others going and Johnny politely helped him with that one too. It was brilliant and hilarious. Johnny was a good listener. He was terrific with kids because he’d ask them questions and let them talk if they could and would help them if they couldn’t. </p>

<p>I loved David Letterman’s original late show, but never warmed to him at 11:30. If he wants to interact with the guest, he’s fine but much of the time it seems like he’d rather be somewhere else. He seemed energized after his revelation of his “very bad things” - which I happened to see by accident and only realized he wasn’t joking over half the way in as he detailed his conduct with women interns and an attempt to blackmail him. I have to say, however, that the stuff he did in the mid 90’s, particularly his mom at the Olympics in Norway, was exceptionally good TV.</p>

<p>I could see why Conan didn’t work at Tonight: he doesn’t listen very well. He tends to talk a lot and has a need to turn everything that happens into some shtick of his own. Two examples. Mel Brooks came on, brought his own chair and sat off to the side and took over and the interview was vintage because Mel was allowed to be Mel. But that was mostly because Mel is a force of nature. Dick van Dyke came on and Conan talked over him. Barely let him say a word. Terrible interview, like Conan couldn’t shut up and let the legend talk. </p>

<p>I’ve caught Jimmy Kimmel a few times. He’s sort of like David Letterman was. I’ve noticed he’s less natural at 11:30. Not sure why. I think people feel they need to play things more broadly for the larger potential audience. I think his strength is that he gets into the bit the guest has prepared. But when the bit isn’t one that works for him, I feel disengaged. That may be just my reaction to him.</p>

<p>I think Jay Leno is a good interviewer and is very good with reaction lines. One part I don’t like about the show is the bits, which they seem to work hard on, usually have no edge. Maybe they want the show to feel comfortable. He does have some good bits. Tonight they parodied the Rutgers BB coach with a “hidden” camera showing Jay abusing writers and throwing balls at them. The main problem is the guests often feel over-scripted. You know they’ve been prepped and set up and all that but they don’t stray from script. I wonder if that’s a style choice for the show, if that reflects Jay or what. He seems less comfortable with anarchy. I feel like he leads them through what’s been prepared and they fall in line. </p>

<p>Jimmy Fallon is closest to Johnny Carson in style. It sometimes feels like he’s overplaying his excitement but he lets his guests do their thing. I saw him last night with Tracy Morgan and he just let Tracy act nuts and fed him a few lines as soon as it became obvious this was happening. When the segment got out of hand, he let it go because that makes TV. When Andy Cohen was on, he talked with him like a buddy because that’s what they are, so the segment was completely different in feel. His show would not have worked in LA. I hope they do the smart thing and keep the nutty party games he obviously loves. </p>

<p>Of the other shows, I think Craig Ferguson is a terrific comedian. I will sometimes watch his opening because he’s funny. I don’t think of him as a talk show host.</p>

<p>Why is NBC getting rid of Leno?</p>

<p>And Jon Stewart is better than all of those listed.</p>

<p>I think Johnny Carson beats them all. </p>

<p>I think Leno is a great guy but just not that funny on the tonight show. The monologue is usually slow and somewhat forced.</p>

<p>I don’t like Letterman now that he’s gone political (in the wrong direction :wink: ). I also don’t like how all of his political jokes were always one-sided - something that was obvious well before he ‘came out’.</p>

<p>I don’t find Jimmy Fallon’s show funny either. Maybe he’d be better if he had better writers. If not, he’ll be a dud for the tonight show IMO.</p>

<p>Jimmy Kimmel seems pretty decent and good competition for the others in that time slot.</p>

<p>Craig Ferguson’s a one man show pretty much and funny but sometimes somewhat tedious and he goes on too long with some things. I think the robot thing is just stupid. His special on Showtime was awful - full of ill-placed profanity and not funny at all. Can you imagine going out to dinner with Craig? He’d be hilarious and quite entertaining. Kind of a strange assessment on him I just gave but that’s the way he’s come across.</p>

<p>Johnny Carson is the gold standard, period. </p>

<p>I was always struck by how kind he was. He always shined the spotlight on his guests. If they were having trouble, he was very engaged in drawing them out to their best advantage. If they were ready to roll on their own, he’d just stand back and let them go.</p>

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Agree. I love Jimmy Fallon. I think he’s original and he’s interested in his guests. David Letterman is a narcissist, IMO. </p>

<p>Craig Ferguson drives me crazy. He’s like an uncle who thinks he’s funny and tells the same dumb jokes over and over again. I keep waiting for him to say “pull my finger” to a guest. </p>

<p>And I’d like to run over that robot thing with my car.</p>

<p>Can’t stand Jay Leno – I think the entire show is about him and I think he is a terrible interveiwer – it is clear he has a list of prepared questions and he is going to ask them no matter where the guest is going.</p>

<p>Letterman is at his best when the guest is smart – he does not suffer fools gladly and it shows. And he does on the street comedy better than anyone else out there. There is a reason that a whole generation of comics consider him the gold standard.</p>

<p>I watch the first ten minutes of either Leno or Letterman at least once a year, to see what the big deal is. And every time I do, I’m bored.</p>

<p>When S2(age 23) heard that Leno was being replaced his reaction was “At least Jimmy Fallon is funny sometimes. Leno never is.”</p>

<p>I never watched late night much. Never got into the controversy over who was going to take over the Tonight show. Leno doesn’t appeal to me much, although I do think he’s a decent guy. I agree Letterman is a narcissist. Jimmy Kimmel there is just something not quite there for me. I appreciate him, know he’s good…but not quite. Johnny Carson was absolutely the classiest of them all, but again, I never watched consistently.</p>

<p>I’m going to admit to being the biggest Jimmy Fallon fan ever here. I adore him. I think he’s hysterical. I loved him on SNL, and his show (which I rarely stay up that late) is so perfectly Jimmy. The Roots are amazing in their own right and make so much of the break out musical things Jimmy does possible, like tebowie (if you don’t know it, youtube). Thank you notes…I could watch these on youtube for an hour and not be bored. He and Justin Timberlake are pure gold together. I know I’m really jumping down a generation here, but I really don’t care. He makes me laugh…and I need that in my life. I love that he doesn’t take himself too seriously. If you read interviews on his background his childhood was very protected, very structured, not allowed out of the backyard or to play with other kids. He’s having the childhood he was never allowed to have. Two of my kids share my love of JF, or is it I share their love of JF? ;)</p>

<p>I watch The Daily Show and Cobert except when it’s a repeat then it’s Charlie Rose. Cannot stand Jay Leno. I like Letterman just haven’t watched it in years since it conflicts with Cobert. The late late shows are past my bedtime. </p>

<p>In my youth I watched JC and then the Tomorrow Show and/or Dick Cavett.</p>

<p>I wish they’d put Nightline back at 11:30. Something for those who don’t like monologues or celebrity interviews.</p>

<p>I’ve always enjoyed Jay Leno and for years faithfully DVR’d the Tonight Show. I particularly like his “Headlines” bit and also his man-on-the-street segments. </p>

<p>Also, he seems like a genuine, nice, ethical guy who has been married to the same woman for about 30 years (love that). I have also been impressed through the years at his empathy—giving free shows for suffering working class Americans. In 2009 he gave 2 free shows to out of work autoworkers in Detroit “Jays Comedy Stimulus Plan”, following Sept. 11 he put on free shows in Las Vegas just urging people to tip their servers who were struggling when no one was traveling, and also did a show for laid-off Pittsburg Steelworkers.</p>

<p>I do like Jimmy Fallon as well, but just feel the whole situation is sadly representative of our times – out with the old & in with the new/young.</p>

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Me, too, Chedva! I used to look forward to that after the late news. I don’t really find Leno, Letterman or Kimmel that funny these days.</p>

<p>As I keep reminding DH when he finds things on TV annoying or stupid or offensive: We are no longer the target demographic.</p>

<p>In other words, nobody cares what we think!</p>

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<p>Fight ya for that title! He is so darn likeable! Alright, I may have to let you keep the title of Biggest Fan since I’ve never watched his talk show. But I’ve loved him on SNL.</p>

<p>Did you see him host the Christmas episode a year ago? His opening segment where he sang “It’s So Good to be Home” brought tears to my eyes because it was so genuinely joyful.</p>

<p>I, too, liked Letterman in the mid-90s when I would be up at night with a new baby. His heart surgery seemed to humble him. Now I just think he’s a dirty old man who thinks too highly of himself.</p>

<p>But eh, I’m not the target demographic, either. I don’t even stay up late to watch the shows, I tape them. And I refer to it as “taping” a show, even though there’s no tape involved anymore.</p>

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<p>I like Craig Ferguson more than any of them. I love it when he talks to the robot or the horse or anything else he can think of.</p>