Top 10 US Universities for Graduate Level

<p>Hello everyone,</p>

<p>I am international student and i am a senior student. At this time, i really would like to continue my studying at graduate level in US.</p>

<p>Can someone list me the most 10 prestigious universities for their graduate level( not undergraduate level)? My current major is Mathematics and Statistics. However, i still would like to switch to some majors( such as Engineering) in the future. Therefore, the overall reputation in every field seems matter much to me.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone in advance. I look forward to receiving your feedback regarding my question</p>

<p>The usual suspects:</p>

<p>Harvard
MIT
Princeton
Stanford
Berkeley
Caltech
Yale
NYU
Columbia
Michigan
CMU</p>

<p>among others.</p>

<p>Hard to list only ten. ^^ Above is a good list. But it leaves out UPenn, Rockefeller, Cornell that surely are on the top.</p>

<p>Thanks RML. It seems that UCB and UMich are very prestigious at their graduate level. It is mysterious that their rankings in undergraduate level are out of top 20. </p>

<p>@ Morrismm: If I extend this list to top 20, what will you include to the other ten slots? I really surprise that Upenn and Cornell do not make its way to the top 10.</p>

<p>Aside from IR, I always saw Princeton as more undergraduate focused. That’s just me.</p>

<p>@ buzzers: I only heard that Princeton is the number one in Mathematics at graduate level. I do not know its reputation about other majors. I agree that at undergraduate level, it seems hold much reputation than UCB and UMich.</p>

<p>Do you know that among the top ten universities of RML, which one makes its way to the top 10 in both Mathematics and Engineering?</p>

<p>(1) 1-2 Princeton University Mathematics
(1) 1-3 New York University Mathematics
(3) 2-5 Stanford University Mathematics
(4) 3-7 Harvard University Mathematics
(4) 3-8 University of California-Berkeley Mathematics
(6) 4-13 California Institute of Technology Mathematics
(6) 5-11 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Mathematics
(6) 5-14 Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus Mathematics
(6) 5-12 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor Mathematics
(10) 6-17 Columbia University in the City of New York Mathematics
(10) 7-18 University of Wisconsin-Madison Mathematics</p>

<p>(1) 1-1 Stanford University Statistics<br>
(2) 2-4 Harvard University Statistics<br>
(2) 2-5 University of Washington-Seattle Campus Statistics<br>
(2) 2-5 University of California-Berkeley Statistics
(5) 3-16 Cornell University Biometry
(6) 5-12 Duke University Statistics and Decision Sciences<br>
(6) 5-11 University of Chicago Statistics<br>
(6) 5-14 Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus Statistics<br>
(6) 5-14 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor Statistics
(10) 6-16 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Statistics<br>
(10) 7-20 University of Wisconsin-Madison Statistics</p>

<p>According to the Times Higher Ed Rankings these are the top 10 in the US [Top</a> 400 - The Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2011-2012](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html]Top”>World University Rankings 2011-12 | Times Higher Education (THE))

  1. Caltech
    t2. Harvard
    t2. Stanford
  2. Princeton
  3. MIT
  4. University of Chicago
  5. UC Berkeley
  6. Yale
  7. Columbia
  8. UCLA
    According to the Shanghai rankings these are the top 10 in the US [Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities - 2011| Top 500 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2011 | World University Ranking - 2011](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html)
  9. Harvard
  10. Stanford
  11. MIT
  12. UC Berkeley
  13. Caltech
  14. Princeton
  15. Columbia
  16. University of Chicago
  17. Yale
  18. UCLA
    According to the QS World rankings these are the top 10 in the US [QS</a> World University Rankings - Topuniversities](<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011]QS”>http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011)
  19. Harvard
  20. MIT
  21. Yale
  22. University of Chicago
  23. University of Pennsylvania
  24. Columbia
  25. Stanford
  26. Caltech
  27. Princeton
  28. Michigan</p>

<p>As you can see Harvard, Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, University of Chicago, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia are all in all three top 10 lists and are probably consensus top 10 US universities. UC Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, and U Penn are also contenders for the top 10.</p>

<p>@ kwu: Thanks for these comprehensive lists. They seem to come from NRC’s rankings. </p>

<p>I pay much attention to the overall reputation of university in every field at grad level. </p>

<p>@UMTYMP student: Thanks so much for these rankings( It is much more undergraduate level). I have already known them.</p>

<p>Honestly, i only believe on US’s rankings. From my friends, UCB, Stanford, UMICH, MIT, Harvard seem to be top 10 in almost every fields at graduate level. I would like to know the other five.</p>

<p>“However, i still would like to switch to some majors( such as Engineering) in the future”</p>

<p>MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Cal Tech, and Michigan from the above lists.</p>

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<p>Undergraduate ranking is sometimes misleading… For example, Berkeley engineering is a solid top 4, whether undergrad or postgrad. Berkeley’s business program is top 5. Yet the overall ranking of Berkeley undergrad is 21. It only goes to show that the undergrad ranking of USNews is misleading…</p>

<p>^^^The world’s greatest universities are strong at the undergraduate and graduate levels. Since this is mostly an undergraduate forum, oftentimes this reality is lost by CC posters. World wide prestige of a university is mostly driven by research and professional schools.</p>

<p>Thanks rjkofnovi and RML. Your information is very useful.</p>

<p>It seems that Usnews’ methodology of ranking does not favor public universities. In my country, UCB, UMich, and UCLA have a very firm reputation for both undergrad and grad level. Whenever students hear someone that is going to continue their graduate levels here, they almost astonish and give so many compliments. I even do not know some private universities in the top 25 of undergraduate level. </p>

<p>To be honest, i think that these three best public universities deserve to be ranked higher, especially in top 15.</p>

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<p>Well, I don’t know if that’s truly ‘mysterious’. The (sad) truth is that those public universities tend to provide less care and feeding for their undergraduates, both relative to their own graduate programs and relative to the private universities. Those public universities are designed specifically to accommodate graduate students and researchers, with the undergraduates being largely an afterthought. You never hear of UCB or UMich graduate students being relegated to 1000-student courses or having to delay graduation because of course oversubscription.</p>

<p>^ Well, I think many of the problems that Berkeley faces today are almost the same problems that many of the top 20 face today too. What’s the difference between Berkeley undergrad, and, say, Notre Dame undergrad?</p>

<p>Given that Berkeley is ranked #21 and Notre Dame is ranked #19, there is basically no substantive difference between the two. A ranking difference of delta-2 is negligible. </p>

<p>Where the difference becomes meaningful is when you start ranking #21 Berkeley against #1 Harvard. I think we can agree that, unfortunately, there are plenty of Berkeley undergrads who would rather be going to Harvard, but practically no Harvard undergrads who would rather be going to Berkeley. Sad but true.</p>

<p>sakky, you could say the same of any university vs Harvard save perhaps MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale. Do you honestly think that are many students at Harvard who dream of attending Brown or Chicago? And how many students at at Brown or Chicago would not have chosen Harvard over them had they been admitted?</p>

<p>To the OP, the difference in quality at the undergraduate level between the top universities is non-existant once you get past Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale. Whether it is Brown vs Cal, Cornell vs Michigan, Northwestern vs Penn, Duke vs Chicago, Johns Hopkins vs Caltech, etc…, the difference is mainly in style, not in substance.</p>

<p>“You never hear of UCB or UMich graduate students being relegated to 1000-student courses or having to delay graduation because of course oversubscription.”</p>

<p>I don’t hear too much about Michigan undergraduates delaying their graduation due to “course oversubscription.” Can anyone comment on this?</p>

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<p>But that only highlights the issue. I’m frankly demotivated by the comparison between Berkeley vs. Notre Dame for undergrad that RML highlighted. After all, even if Berkeley replaced Notre Dame, then instead of being ranked #21, that would represent a whopping improvement to … #19. Honestly, so what? Who cares? That’s the epitome of small-ball. {And surely the same could be said for Michigan vs. Notre Dame: instead of being #28, Michigan would be ranked #19, which is still not a giant improvement.} </p>

<p>What I am profoundly motivated by is figuring out ways that Berkeley undergrad might eventually replace Harvard… that is, to trade the #21 ranking for the #1 ranking. That’s a worthy goal. Unfortunately to do that would require that Berkeley (or Michigan) take steps that they would likely never do, such as vastly increasing selectivity, along with redirecting massive resources to the undergrads. {I am continually amazed by the level of resources that Harvard undergrads enjoy that I could only dream of having.}</p>

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<p>Well, something has to account for the fact that, according to IPEDS, Michigan’s 6-year graduation rate of about ~89% is basically the same as Harvard’s 4-year graduation rate (88%). </p>

<p>I suspect that wait-lists and corresponding course unavailability are a contributing factor, as they (sadly) are at Berkeley. But even if they are not, other contributing factors are equally unacceptable. To wit:</p>

<p>*Perhaps Michigan simply does not provide undergrads with sufficient support & advising to graduate in 4 years. But that then raises the question: why not? After all, undergrad support/advising services are relatively cheap and Michigan has plenty of funds.</p>

<p>*Perhaps too many Michigan undergrad programs are not realistically designed to be completed in 4 years; engineering programs are particularly notorious for being only nominally completable in 4 years. But that also raises the question of why can’t the programs be designed to be more efficient? For example, one could provide a 2-step process where engineering students would first graduate with a non-accredited B.A. “Technology” degree after 4 years, but then stay for the 5th year to then earn the accredited BS engineering degree. Not only would that improve the 4-year graduation rates, but would also vastly bolster the job prospects of those students who are interested in tech but don’t feel the need to complete all of the requirements of a fully-fledged engineering degree. They could leave the school with a degree after 4 years. It won’t be an accredited engineering degree, but hey, it would still be a bachelor’s degree from Michigan. </p>

<p>*Perhaps many Michigan undergrads have to work part-time to support their educations and hence take longer to graduate. But that again raises the question of why Michigan then doesn’t provide better financial aid? Like I said, Michigan has plenty of funds. Harvard is even more expensive than Michigan for the average student at each school (as the vast majority of Michigan students are state residents and hence pay a subsidized price), yet Harvard nevertheless graduates its students at a brisk pace, as Harvard devotes extensive funding opportunities to its poorer students. </p>

<p>*Perhaps the most important factor is that Michigan simply admits far more students who are not particularly talented or motivated than does Harvard. Naturally, these students are probably not going to graduate in a timely fashion, and may not ever graduate at all. But that then just raises the question of why Michigan persists in admitting unmotivated, untalented students. </p>

<p>Now, I can anticipate the ‘dropout-prodigy’ counterargument - what of Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, or Matt Damon? After all, all of them dropped out of Harvard and they’re nevertheless doing well for themselves. Fair enough. Certainly if you’re an entrepreneurial or acting superstar, you won’t need a college degree. And I myself have recommended that any student with a promising entrepreneurial idea should probably drop out to launch a startup, and return to college later if the startup fails. </p>

<p>But for the rest of us normal folk who are not a proto-Time-Magazine-Person-of-the-Year or proto-Sexiest-Men-Alive, a college degree has become de-rigueur An increasing number of employers simply won’t interview you at all - not even for a mundane mail-room position - if you lack a degree. And certainly the guilded professions such as medicine or law are, with only rare exceptions, barred from those without degrees. Besides, I think most people actually go to college with the intention of actually graduating. And graduating on time, rather than being the next Van Wilder or Johnny Lechner.</p>