top 15 most prestigious universities

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1861

<p>I believe counting the # of top 10 programs is a good way to evaluate depth and breadth for a university. Using this method, Berkeley, Stanford, and Harvard are the top 3. </p>

<p>MIT has a different way to interpret the NRC ranking. It focuses on # of top 3 programs, or # of #1 programs. Here is the article: [MIT</a> doctoral programs lead national peer review rankings](<a href=“http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1995/40737-0920.html]MIT”>MIT doctoral programs lead national peer review rankings | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology)</p>

1862

<p>^but that’s assuming these 41 fields are the correct measure of “breadth” and i beg to differ. note how the language fields are very eurocentric. also in “arts”, there’s nothing that’s really “artistic”; there’s no theater, film, architecture, visual art…etc and “music” is actually musicology (hence some renowned music schools that have a wide array of offerings in music are not even ranked). like i said before, there are way too many bio fields.</p>

1863

<p>Yes. I agree. There are too many bio fields. But some people say the 21st century is a century of biological science.</p>

1864

<p>NRC-95 is a stone age ranking. 15 years old (or older, if you date from when the data began to be gathered). Many of us cite it because it is convenient, we assume department quality tends not to change too rapidly, or we can’t find anything better. However, not only the data but also the methodology is somewhat outdated. It is based on subjective peer assessments (which may be based on opinions formed far more than 15 years ago). The choice of 41 departments is fairly arbitrary. There is no easy way to reconcile the discrepancies among various averaging methods (including the zero/non-zero issue), if you are determined to calculate the one “right” answer.</p>

<p>More recent scientific ranking methods such as FSPI and HEEACT measure research productivity by counting publications and citations. These techniques have their own issues (such as the choice of tracked publications), but have the advantage of being objective and precise. Large public research institutions tend to perform relatively well in these rankings. The HEEACT top 10 (Science & Social Science citations):</p>

<p>Harvard
Hopkins
Stanford
Washington-Seattle
UCLA
Michigan
MIT
Berkeley
Penn
Columbia</p>

1865

<p>datalook,</p>

<p>that could be true. i used to think that bio was the less respected, that the smartest kids would study physics and chemistry and that bio was like that easier science for the mathematically challenged. now it’s the hottest field while physics seems to be dying.</p>

1866

<p>“Michigan has lost relative standing and status to the top privates (universities and LACs) since your great uncle, grandfather and aunt went there.”</p>

<p>Prodigalson, that is somewhat true, but not appreciably so. From the late 19th century until the 1960s, Michigan was generally considered one of the nation’s top 5 universities. Today, it is not. As such, it is safe to say that Michigan has lost some ground. That said, Michigan has has not lost much ground since those days…not in the eyes of academe and industry anyway. It is still regarded as one of the top 15 universities in the nation.</p>

<p>“I’d estimate that only the top 2-3% from Michigan is comparable to the top 10% at HYP…”</p>

<p>That is in fact an accurate estimate Prodigalson. I was going to say that the top 10% of undergrads at Michigan are equal to the top 15%-25% of the students at non-HYP Ivies and the top 35%-50% of the students at HYP.</p>

1867

<p>I agree with IBClass06…</p>

<p>Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Michigan, Berkeley are each very strong contenders for the top 15…</p>

<p>The rest (ie. Ivy league, Stanford, MIT, UChicago, Duke, Caltech) are almost universally recognized to be among the very best…</p>

<p>Honestly, I don’t care… lol.</p>

<p>We need to stop bickering and recognize that we are each very fortunate to attain a very education. That alone is something to be thankful or…</p>

<p>Prestige is important, but when it engulfs you life is when can get a little dangerous. Then again, I am not sure what I am talking about.</p>

1868

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<p>A year later, we are still debating so this list is NOT so obvious. Except for HYPSM, there is no general consensus. Otherwise, this thread would not be going strong at 125 pages (so far).</p>

<p>And did you really provide a link to your own post? Seriously???</p>

1869

<p>1 Harvard 98.50
2 Stanford 98.00
3 MIT 97.00
4 Yale 96.50
5 Chicago 94.75
6 Caltech 92.25
7 Princeton 91.75
8 Columbia 91.00
9 Northwestern 90.50
10 UC Berkeley 90.25
11 UCLA 88.75
12 Duke 87.75
13 Penn 87.50
14 WUStL 86.75
15 Michigan 84.50 </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/848154-best-colleges-america-usnews-washingtonm-center4measuring-performance-forbes.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/848154-best-colleges-america-usnews-washingtonm-center4measuring-performance-forbes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

1870

<p>^lolz at Northwestern-9 and Princeton-7</p>

1871

<p>lol hmm in my opinion (I take international prestige into account too)</p>

<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
Columbia
Berkeley
Chicago
Caltech
Penn
Duke
Cornell
Brown
Emory
Northwestern</p>

1872

<p>I would say the top 30 universities in my view would be:</p>

<p>Oxford
Cambridge
ULondon
Manchester
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
MIT
Brown
UPenn
Columbia
Duke
Cornell
Vanderbuilt
UChicago
Northwestern
John Hopkins
Rice
Carnegie Mellon
Georgetown
UMichigan
Notre Dame
Fordham
NYU
Boston University
Wake Forest
University of North Carolina
UPitt
Texas A&M</p>

1873

<p>^poor Dartmouth :(</p>

1874

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<p>The ones that are highlighted are not internationally prestigious…</p>

1875

<p>Dartmouth always gets left out :(</p>

<p>But really…Fordham over Dartmouth? Bleh!</p>

1876

<p>Hey, Fordham is awesome. Don’t hate.</p>

1877

<p>World’s Top 30 Engineering and IT:</p>

<p>1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
United States</p>

<p>100.0 4.2
2 University of California, Berkeley
United States</p>

<p>86.3 4.5
3 Stanford University
United States</p>

<p>81.5 4.2
4 University of Cambridge
United Kingdom</p>

<p>77.0 3.3
5 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
United States</p>

<p>76.2 4.6
6 University of Tokyo
Japan</p>

<p>69.1 1.9
6 Imperial College London
United Kingdom</p>

<p>69.1 2.7
8 University of Toronto
Canada</p>

<p>63.3 3.4
9 Carnegie Mellon University
United States</p>

<p>63.2 3.1
10 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)
Switzerland</p>

<p>60.8 3.5
11 University of Oxford
United Kingdom</p>

<p>59.8 3.0
12 Georgia Institute of Technology
United States</p>

<p>59.3 2.9
13 Tsinghua University
China</p>

<p>59.2 1.2
14 National University of Singapore (NUS)
Singapore</p>

<p>57.5 2.9
15 Delft University of Technology
Netherlands</p>

<p>55.4 2.2
16 Kyoto University
Japan</p>

<p>54.2 1.9
17 University of British Columbia
Canada</p>

<p>53.2 2.9
18 University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
United States</p>

<p>53.1 4.2
19 Tokyo Institute of Technology
Japan</p>

<p>51.4 1.8
20 McGill University
Canada</p>

<p>51.2 2.3
21 KAIST - Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology
South Korea</p>

<p>50.7 2.1
22 Harvard University
United States</p>

<p>50.5 4.8
23 Princeton University
United States</p>

<p>50.3 4.4
24 Cornell University
United States</p>

<p>50.0 3.7
25 University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
United States</p>

<p>49.5 2.9
26 Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Hong Kong</p>

<p>49.1 2.7
27 Seoul National University
South Korea</p>

<p>47.5 2.2
27 University of Waterloo
Canada</p>

<p>47.5 2.1
29 University of Melbourne
Australia</p>

<p>46.9 2.6
30 Indian Institute of Technology Bombay (IITB)
India</p>

<p>If there is one comment I had to give: IITB is extremely under-ranked !!!
Ask an Indian how prestigious the IITs are and how DIFFICULT it is to get in!</p>

1878

<p>I spent 3 years at Cambridge and I couldn’t vouch that it’s superior to Caltech for engineering.</p>

1879

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<p>Just because Fordham is located in NYC doesn’t automatically make it “awesome.”</p>

1880

<p>Yes, it is. I’ve spoken extensively with the President, the Dean of Admission, the chairs of several departments. I’ve visited campus several times, sat in on classes, and I know more than a dozen people who attend Fordham.</p>

<p>You seem to slobber all over HYPSM. Have you yourself had that sort of interaction with the administrations, the students, and the campuses of any of those five schools?</p>

<p>Also, dunno where you’re getting the idea that I’m ■■■■■■■■ for NYC. I know you’re jealous, but rest assured that living in NYC is not all its cracked up to be.</p>

<p>Hey, try these rankings. You’re gonna love them. Harvard has 100 in five out of six criteria:</p>

<p>[ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp)</p>