<p>marny - can’t speak for Zoozer, but that sounds more like what a legal recruiter - headhunter - does.</p>
<p>Legal marketing is actually marketing the law firm and its services to clients and to the community. It can include setting up seminars, luncheons, client development lunches and dinners, welcoming new companies to town, ordering promotional items (shirts, mugs, pens etc) and placing advertisements.</p>
<p>thanks for the info.
Never would have guessed that Law firms need to “package” themselves to the community- but it does make sense when you want to expand your client base. </p>
<p>d # 2 is a sport management major and will be taking an “event management” course.
Who knew?? Maybe her field of study will be more lucrative than I thought.</p>
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<p>All of that so that you can pay top dollar at a major firm, and have an associate doing your legal work/research. So many cases get messed up that way. LOL, that is what can happen when you hire a big firm. JMO.</p>
<p>“what is legal marketing?? I’m guessing that it is “packaging” the applicant by doing mock interviews, re-write the resume etc. but I am not sure if I am on target.”</p>
<p>That’s it. The packaging and the brand of the firm.</p>
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<p>Marny, I have had this concern for a while. I would not want my children to accumulate that kind of debt, or to marry into it! It has really been on the back of mind as a new thing to warn my kids about, and I am not kidding.</p>
<p>“Marny, I have had this concern for a while. I would not want my children to accumulate that kind of debt, or to marry into it! It has really been on the back of mind as a new thing to warn my kids about, and I am not kidding.”</p>
<p>I’ve warned ZG hard and long and will campaign against marriage to anyone deeply in debt. My niece has a huge amount of debt and is dating a young man who got an amazingly lucrative job on Wall Street right out of college. His family is adamant that they not get engaged if her debt isn’t dealt with. Since she isn’t working at a lucrative job, it could be a problem since the boyfriend is very clear that he’s not paying it.</p>
<p>well I guess I’m not the only one with that concern. besides thinking about my own kids well being, I’m worrying about “the intended” who doesn’t even exist yet!</p>
<p>glad I am not the only one who is thinking ahead like this. </p>
<p>did you guys catch the TV commercial for some credit reporting company?? It’s a young guy- strumming his guitar- in a basement apartment–
lamenting that his girlfriend/wife’s debt has ruined his life too.
It’s very clever- but I fear alot of our kids will find themselves in a similar situation.
(at least we have a finished basement)</p>
<p>maybe that is why families had arranged marriages way back when–</p>
<p>also not to scare anyone and a bit off topic–
debt is a BIG concern for potential employers. Friends kid graduated college last year- Gets a very good- responsible job in Va. outside DC.
parents think it may be gov’t related cause kid can’t tell them too much about it</p>
<p>but company does major background check- family finances etc. They even interviewed family friends.</p>
<p>i guess the feeling is,-- that if the kid has debt, they may be more susceptible to bribes or other “unseemly” behavior.<br>
whether this a a true concern of employer, or it is a way to weed out those from lower economic classes, I do not know</p>
<p>but it sounds like we can be headed towards an elitist type society once again. Only those with money will be able to afford law/medical school.
or allowed to enter certain occupations as they will appear less corruptable</p>
<p>talk about conspiracy theories–</p>
<p>marny, no I guess your not the only one with this concern. I am not going to take control over who my kids marry, but I will warn them, they will go into it with their eyes wide open, and then they will not look to us to pay off debt. I am not too worried about my older kid. He has seen one person who does not know how to handle money in his life (not us), and if he found out the person he was dating had similar habits I know that he’d run. What he does not know about are parents who are not paying for undergraduate educations and students who have taken of six figures of debt for that, and then continued on to grad school to pile up even more debt. I can see how those money problems with an average salary can lead to divorce.</p>
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<p>His parents are giving very realistic advice if he is clear that he will not pay. Frankly, if he loves her, and he can pay without much hardship, he might be making a mistake if he doesn’t marry her. It is a very tough decision. I know of a marriage that broke up because it involved a move for more money. One person wanted the better job, the other wanted family nearby. There are forks in the road sometimes. One found a new spouse eventually (took a long time), and the other never did, and neither person had children.</p>
<p>With the mention of top applicants who firms will fight for to get, and other ordinary applicants who couldn’t seem to grasp a proper image of themselves, I must ask: what qualifies as a top applicant? What differentiates the ones to “change-the-world” from those who are just “average-super-smart”?</p>
<p>It has little to do with changing the world. Those who choose to join “biglaw” are not typically looking to change the world. Most of the characteristics are common sense but are often missing, even in the smartest people. There should be confidence that stops short of cockiness. Associates know just enough to be dangerous so they have to know what they don’t know. BUT, they have to present as someone who knows how to find the answers and knows how to communicate those answers. Most of my clients ask for writing samples before they interview and I can’t tell you how many jobs have been lost with poor writing samples that come from household name firms. There is the need to be articulate without being too talkative. Any job applicant should be able to toot his or her own horn without being bragadocious. Sometimes, they are the ones who present as a very hard workers - who may be willing to put work over everything else in their lives. Obviously, the needs vary according to practice area. I can tell you horror stories with regard to what some very well educated people have done on interviews such as dropping the f word while at lunch with a senior partner.</p>
<p>"Frankly, if he loves her, and he can pay without much hardship, he might be making a mistake if he doesn’t marry her. It is a very tough decision. I know of a marriage that broke up because it involved "</p>
<p>She is a very attractive, polished bright girl who is lazy and looking for a meal ticket. I think at some level the boyfriend knows that. I hope he does.</p>
<p>Goodness, I’d be an old maid if my college debt were held against me! And I certainly would have not married hubby, as he had even more! If we had divorced in the first 10 years of marriage the fight would have been how to split the debts, not the assets, and the debt payments not income, LOL.</p>
<p>The problem these days, is that tuition is now at the level at private undergraduate schools and professional schools that debt is a sky high levels. We owed about $50K back then which was considered outrageous. That does not cover a year of many med school programs or even undergrad schools. so we are talking about debts that are several times more than graduates can make in a year.</p>
<p>My good friend is currently helping his son through $60k per year medschool following 4 years at Harvard. He has a daughter who is in her last year at an excellent LAC that costs close to $50K per year, and wants to be a vet; has applied to a number of schools. The family does not qualify for financial aid but is not wealthy by any means. Lives in a 3 br rancher in a decidedly middleclass neighborhood. They drive old cars, inexpensive vacations if any, and no designer anything. Yeah, I guess he would not want his kids to marry someone who has a couple hundred K in debt after he and his life have been pounding salt so their kids’ education did not result in debt to them.</p>
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I know I would regret “letting her get away” for the rest of my life.</p>
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Of course, this would make losing her more tolerable.</p>
<p>“With the mention of top applicants who firms will fight for to get, and other ordinary applicants who couldn’t seem to grasp a proper image of themselves, I must ask: what qualifies as a top applicant? What differentiates the ones to “change-the-world” from those who are just “average-super-smart”?”</p>
<p>What I said was could change the world. Not necessarily wanted to. The average super-smart candidate went to a top college and did well, went to a top law school and did well, but did nothing else. The sought after candidates are often people with master’s degrees in other fields or job experience in other fields, maybe a little bit older. Published authors, Broadway actors, two that I know personally went to Ivy schools and became clowns and magicians after college and working through graduate school. It’s other than the 24-year old, upper middle class white kid who went from high school to college and has not yet done anything else.</p>
<p>I guess 50k was still managable with a good income. H and I had about 28k (maybe a little bit less) combined when we married. It was a strain as we bought a small house and started a family soon after.</p>
<p>bluedevil, would you regret paying her debt and marrying, or regret not marrying her if you loved her?</p>
<p>zoosermom, I have come to the conclusion that some partners don’t mind marrying someone looking for a meal ticket, or to be financially cared for. I know several married couples in this situation (including one where the recipient of the meal ticket is a male).</p>
<p>“Of course, this would make losing her more tolerable.”</p>
<p>She’s stunning, though.</p>
<p>Oh, I was commenting in agreement with your post #111. Have edited my post #116 to be clearer.</p>