About how many schools in the United States have competitive science programs? And also, where would you put Stony Brook on that list (percentile-wise), if you would even consider it a competitive science school…
Competitive for what?
For science… As is how prestegious their science program is.
In case you were wondering, scientists care even less about “prestege” than the population at large does.
“Science” is a huge area. Biology, chemistry, social sciences, physics, computer science, etc., and these don’t even count specializations within each. What specifically are you looking for?
Also, most undergrads are essentially equal for each area (although some universities have specialized colleges that are often more selective than their general college), whereas the grad programs are actually ranked and such.
What an odd question. You already applied to SB. Don’t you know about their science programs? What area of “science” are you questioning?
Health sciences and biology as well as many graduate programs relative to science are known well at SBU. I was curious where these programs rank amongst other schools that have competitive science programs…
What other schools are you considering? Do you have acceptances from any of them? You’re better off comparing programs of the schools you have an opportunity to attend than comparing one where you have an application pending to thousands where you don’t.
Google is your friend. SBU is #55 on this list for biolgical sciences if that means anything to you.
Harvard is #1 and University of Puerto Rico is #224.
There are plenty of lists that convey information about which schools different groups view as better in specific disciplines within science. I agree. Google is a good resource. What area do you want to pursue?
Are you looking for Graduate program? Here is under graduate schools which produce most PhD’s for Science and Engineering. http://www.thecollegesolution.com/50-schools-that-produce-the-most-science-and-engineering-phds/
I don’t think graduate school ranking really pertains to undergraduate education ‘rankings’. OP, all universities have programs in science–it is a core offering. However, there isn’t always much you can do in a specific science career as an undergraduate. So do you mean competitive for grad school admissions? or what exactly do you mean? If you want to know if you will look good to grad schools, find out what grad schools look for.
10 link is mislabeled. Those are the schools that have the largest proportion of their entire student bodies go on to get science & engineering PhDs. NOT the producers of the most future phds, as labeled. The proportion is vs. the school's entire student body,regardless of what other fields or interests those other students in that student body are pursuing..
The undergrad schools that have produced the Most eventual science & engineering phds, in the indicated time frame, are as follows:
SOURCE: National Science Foundation, Division of Science Resources Statistics, Survey of Earned Doctorates.
TABLE 2. Top 50 U.S. baccalaureate-origin institutions of 2002–11 S&E doctorate recipients, by institutional control and 2010 Carnegie classification Rank Academic institution Institutional
control 2010 Carnegie
classification S&E doctorate
recipients
na All baccalaureate-origin institutions na na 319,075
na Foreign institutions na na 113,181
na Unknown institutions na na 26,528
1 U. CA, Berkeley Public Research-very high 3,406
2 Cornell U., all campuses Private Research-very high 2,646
3 U. MI, Ann Arbor Public Research-very high 2,205
4 U. IL, Urbana-Champaign Public Research-very high 1,976
5 PA State U., main campus Public Research-very high 1,934
6 U. WI, Madison Public Research-very high 1,881
7 MA Institute of Technology Private Research-very high 1,880
8 U. CA, Los Angeles Public Research-very high 1,873
9 Harvard U. Private Research-very high 1,794
10 U. TX, Austin Public Research-very high 1,787
11 U. FL Public Research-very high 1,730
12 Brigham Young U., main campus Private Research-high 1,688
13 U. CA, San Diego Public Research-very high 1,546
14 U. CA, Davis Public Research-very high 1,542
15 Stanford U. Private Research-very high 1,359
16 TX A&M U., main campus Public Research-very high 1,299
17 U. VA, main campus Public Research-very high 1,260
18 Rutgers, State U. NJ, New Brunswick Public Research-very high 1,256
18 U. WA, Seattle Public Research-very high 1,256
20 U. MD, College Park Public Research-very high 1,216
21 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State U. Public Research-very high 1,193
22 Brown U. Private Research-very high 1,188
23 OH State U., main campus Public Research-very high 1,178
24 U. MN, Twin Cities Public Research-very high 1,161
25 Princeton U. Private Research-very high 1,131
26 Duke U. Private Research-very high 1,103
27 Purdue U., main campus Public Research-very high 1,097
28 MI State U. Public Research-very high 1,092
28 U. AZ Public Research-very high 1,092
30 U. PA Private Research-very high 1,081
31 Yale U. Private Research-very high 1,020
32 U. NC, Chapel Hill Public Research-very high 991
33 U. CO, Boulder Public Research-very high 987
34 U. CA, Santa Barbara Public Research-very high 959
35 U. CA, Santa Cruz Public Research-very high 952
36 Northwestern U. Private Research-very high 949
37 U. of Chicago Private Research-very high 940
38 NC State U., Raleigh Public Research-very high 938
39 Boston U. Private Research-very high 913
40 GA Institute of Technology, main campus Public Research-very high 911
41 IA State U. Public Research-very high 863
42 Columbia U. in the City of New York Private Research-very high 829
43 Carnegie Mellon U. Private Research-very high 812
44 Johns Hopkins U. Private Research-very high 797
45 U. CA, Irvine Public Research-very high 787
46 IN U., Bloomington Public Research-very high 785
47 U. of Rochester Private Research-very high 771
48 AZ State U. Public Research-very high 744
49 CA Institute of Technology Private Research-very high 739
50 U. DE Public Research-very high 734
na = not applicable.
S&E = science and engineering; includes health fields.
NOTE: Institutions with the same number of doctorate recipients are listed alphabetically.
In the above linked report, the tables that represent proportions are explicitly labeled as such by NSF. They each say “per hundred bachelor’s degrees awarded in all fields 9 years earlier” in the title of each such table.
The Table I printed in #12 is an updated version of Table 3 in the linked report. Note that their title of Table 3 does not say “per” anything. Because it isn’t.
Table 3 is the table that shows which institutions produce the “most” science & engineering PhDs, period.
Other tables show proportions, ie “per hundred bachelor’s degrees awarded in all fields 9 years earlier”.
They may show “the greatest proportions” but not the “most” as was asserted. The “most” is recorded in Table 3.
Sorry I realized that was same website and I thought I erased it but somehow I couldn’t. I would like to say is Research University produce more PhD’s but where were they started for under graduate program? And many LAC colleges have strong science program. My son went to Carleton college and majored Chemistry. My niece went to Pomona college and majored molecular biology. Other niece went to Grinnell and majored molecular biology. They were all happy with small schools. But they went to research university for PhD’s. My friend’s daughter went to UCB for Neuroscience but she was very disappointed because of the class size was so big and she hardly get to know professors. I don’t criticize big school thought since my other friend’s son was very happy to attend UCSD for Human Biology major. He got to know professor at Junior year and did some research. I live in California and UCs are great public schools. But many small LAC’s offers great science programs, too. You should research and visit before you apply. My daughter was almost applied Ivy league school but after she visited LAC she really fell in love with and decided to apply LAC.
" I would like to say is Research University produce more PhD’s but where were they started for under graduate program?"
The greatest numbers of them started by getting their undergraduate degrees at the institutions listed in post #12 above. In order.
That’s what # 12 (or Table 3 from the link you posted in #13) shows. The most common undergraduate institutions that those future PhDs attended. The heading reads “Top 50 U.S. baccalaureate-origin institutions of 2002–11 S&E doctorate recipients”.
The phrase “baccalaureate-origin institutions” identically and unambiguosly means “where they earned their bachelor’s degrees from”.
Hope that helps.
I think it is natural that big school produce more number of PhD’s in general vs small school. I agree UCB is excellent school. I am not arguing that but total number of UCB is like 25,018 vs Caltec is less than 997 and HM is even smaller 780. Cornell is more than 14,245 and University of Michigan is more than 27,046 Again they are great institution but if you compare with just numbers with very small college it is no sense I think.
If you feel greatest proportion of the entire student body, irrespective of the composition of that entire student body how many people there are majoring in those particular fields and want Phds, is more useful, then use that.
But don’t mislabel it. “Greatest proportion of entire student body” is not the same as “most”. If you have a chart showing “greatest proportion of entire student body” label it “greatest proportion of entire student body”.Not “most”.
UChicago produces the most PhDs out of any other school in America.