<p>Look at the list of top tech firms in the world. Find the ones in California. Now look for the ones on the east coast. Sorry, Dartmouth lost this one hard.</p>
<p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List<em>of</em>the<em>largest</em>global<em>technology</em>companies</p>
<p>This thread is stupid – </p>
<p>JDawg is a HS JUNIOR, </p>
<p>who hasn’t been accepted anywhere yet. This is simply JDAWG’s way of deciding upon a college application list for this coming September.</p>
<p>JDawg, your phrase “which to choose” was misleading. In the future please just tell everyone what you’re trying to accomplish and they’ll help as best they can.</p>
<p>Let’s consider this question a hypothetical one. </p>
<p>If the cost for both Berkeley and Dartmouth is the same, I’d pick Berkeley instantly. Well, we’re talking about engineering here and Berkeley is a solid top 3 school for engineering, but only in the USA but in the world. I’d pick Dartmouth for programs in humanities, social sciences, and physical and natural sciences, however. </p>
<p>I’d also pick Berkeley for West Coast jobs and Dartmouth for East Coast jobs. But for engineering and CS, I’d go for Berkeley, definitely. I guess even if it would cost me a little more bucks.</p>
<p>Don’t worry warblers, I was kidding. I have to have some sort of fun before this too turns into a Duke vs Berkeley thread.</p>
<p>EDIT: Aw snap, RML is here. Alexandre and lesdiablesbles already posted on this thread. It’s only a matter of milliseconds before hell breaks loose. Devils vs Bears.</p>
<p>of course, if the OP has the numbers for D, s/he should be looking at that Junior University in Palo Alto. I hear that they do ok with engineering and comp sci.</p>
<p>MrPrince, I, and those who know you, know what your stand is, so you can start toning down a bit on your anti-Berkeley propaganda now. This is a Berkeley vs Dartmouth for engineering thread. Take note, for engineering.</p>
<p>bluebayou, but getting a slot at Stanford is like winning in a lottery even for those kids with superb stats. Stanford’s acceptance rate is less than 8%, and maybe that would even get lower by the time the OP would start applying to colleges.</p>
<p>I still don’t understand the point of this thread. Berkeley vs. Dartmouth? They are about as opposite as can be. East coast vs. west, small vs. large, rural vs. suburban, private vs. public…only thing they have in common is excellence. I’m surprised anyone is seriously considering both at the same time.</p>
<p>Ehh, I’m dating a girl who did her undergrad at Berkeley. So I appreciate Berkeley a lot more now based on her and her stories of Berkeley. But I can’t say the same for UMichigan and other publics. So yeah.</p>
<p>"Well, we’re talking about engineering here and Berkeley is a solid top 3 school for engineering, but only in the USA but in the world. I’d pick Dartmouth for programs in humanities, social sciences, and physical and natural sciences, however. "</p>
<p>?? Not sure I get the seemingly different standard. Isn’t Berkeley similarly highly ranked in many areas of humanities, social sciences, physical and natural sciences??</p>
<p>usually i would say the better private but in this case berkeley. why, berkeley has one of the best engineering departments and being the top public is nothing to piff at.</p>
<p>… at Dartmouth to become engineering certified. One of the spieled criticisms of UC is a student not graduating in four years. It would take more effort, but anyone can graduate from a UC campus in even < 4 years. Those who don’t, don’t want to; they want to stop and smell the flowers and experience the social life. Try to get some frat guy to get out in < 4 years – impossible. Meanwhile, the OP can graduate from Cal in four years, s/b a given, and earn $70K in her first year of employment. Meanwhile, she would probably be the only Dartmouth grad at her firm/company and lack the comaraderie among her fellow graduates, Cal fb games, etc.</p>
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<p>Probably. However, the opportunities presented to those Berkeley humanities/social sciences/science grads are somewhat lesser than those of their Dartmouth counterparts. That is just my personal opinion. I think it’s clear that Dartmouth has an amazing relationship with WS companies thus many Dartmouth grads end up in WS. Engineering and CS are the exception. The level of deepness of the relationship of Dartmouth and WS is the same as what Berkeley and SV has in the West Coast, if not even more so. Of course, many engineering firms recruit at Dartmouth. But I don’t think the list of the engineering firms that recruit at Dartmouth is as extensive as what they have at Berkeley. Dartmouth can’t even compete with Cornell in that sense. And Berkeley’s engineering is slightly better than Cornell’s.</p>
<p>We’re talking about recruiting undergraduate engineering students, not graduate research programs. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that Dartmouth engineering students are less talented than Berkeley’s undergraduate engineering students. However, there are far fewer of them, as a whole and in particular who are interested in engineering employment. And, those who are, are probably exposed to fewer advanced level engineering subspecialties. Hence it would makes sense that Dartmouth is less heavily recruited for engineering jobs than Berkeley is.</p>
<p>RML</p>
<p>last time i checked, Dartmouth had an acceptance rate of 10%, so the difference is negligible. Plus, the OP is OOS, and that’s a small plus factor at Stanford, boosting the rate to say, 8.1%? :)</p>
<p>monydad, there is no doubt that the quality of Dartmouth engineering students is comparable to Berkeley’s. Where it defers is the prestige of the engineering department, as it was where my focus is when I posted on this particular thread. The Berkeley engineering department is larger, more extensive, has better faculty line up, has bigger and better research quality works and outputs, and thus is more prestigious. As a result, more top engineering firms recruit there, just like why Cornell engineering is said to be superior to Columbia engineering despite that Cornell isn’t better than Columbia overall, according to USNews.</p>
<p>Again, I’m talking about the engineering department, not the quality of the engineering students at those schools.</p>
<p>They recruit there because they have a high chunk of very smart candidates who are interested in, and well trained for, careers in engineering. Don’t know about currently, but in my day, RPI was exceptionally well recruited by engineering employers. Despite not having a highly ranked engineering graduate school. Rice was also well recruited, not sure about the ranking of its engineering graduate programs.</p>
<p>As this article indicates, engineering employers prefer to go to campuses where there are a lot of prospective strong candidates who are interested in working for them.</p>
<p><a href=“Job Recruiters Prefer State Universities Over Ivy League Colleges - WSJ”>Job Recruiters Prefer State Universities Over Ivy League Colleges - WSJ;
<p>These are correlated with graduate department rankings to be sure, but do not necessarily move in direct lockstep with them. Because they are hiring for undergrad engineers, not the school’s graduate researchers.</p>
<p>Engineering department rankings tend to apply to the researchers, IMO. However these research professors are not the people being hired at undergrad level by these firms.</p>
<p>Of course Berkeley has more extensive recruiting than Dartmouth–it’s six times the size.</p>
<p>I have yet to see indication that there’s not enough recruiting at Dartmouth for their number of engineering students. And it’s not just about recruiting by the big boys. Many grads go on to work for smaller firms, some founded or run by alums (including a little shop called General Electric–headed by alum Jeff Immelt). If someone has evidence that Dartmouth engineering grads are lacking in traditional recruitment opportunities, please chime in. We would love to know.</p>
<p>One of the points alluded to prior, was whether Dartmouth might have the sub-specialties in e to offer undergrads per monydad. </p>
<p>Is the degree from the school a generalized e degree or do they have electrial, mechanical, computer, civil, and even sub-specialities within these?</p>
<p>They offer a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Engineering. Both are general engineering degrees, but they have opportunities for concentration in electrical, chemical, etc. It is not an EE or ChemE degree.</p>