<p>“… enough recruiting at Dartmouth for their number of engineering students.”</p>
<p>That’s not the way I would want to look at it.
If there are 50 graduates, and 100 firms come, that’s two firms per graduate.
If there are 5 graduates, and 10 firms came to interview, that’s also two firms per graduate, yet things are not the same IMO. It’s only ten firms. Maybe you’d rather explore opportunities at one of the other 90 that aren’t coming there.</p>
<p>Remember those other 90 don’t have a quota that has to be filled at a particular school, ultimately you are probably competing for many of these jobs on a national or regional basis. If they come to campus you have a better chance to check them out, and get hired by them, than if they don’t. Even if they also interview several others at your school.</p>
<p>Which does not mean at all that you won’t get a job at the small program, just maybe you won’t see everything out there and may not get the same job you would have if you saw everything, and everyone came to you.</p>
<p>It’s like having many course offerings & sub-areas vs. not so many. Going to the smaller program you can still graduate and learn stuff, just maybe not exactly the same stuff you would have elected to learn if more choices were presented to you.</p>
<p>The notion that it will take more than 4 years to graduate from Berkeley does not apply to engineering. The College of Engineering requires you graduate in 4 years and provides the resources to do so. Berkeley is also generous with AP credits.</p>
<p>It doesn’t take longer than 4 years to graduate in anything. That’s just a common misnomer those who know nothing about the UC system keep spewing. -.-</p>
<p>Basically, every UC is eager to give their students the boot after 4 years.</p>
<p>Warblersrule is obviously being sarcastic. Harvey Mudd has a top notch engineering program. </p>
<p>Having said that, if Dartmouth’s engineering program truly does take 5 years, I think that’s certainly reasonable to see that as a negative and take that into consideration. Obviously, Berkeley’s engineering program is second to none, but that doesn’t necessarily make it a no brainer choice for the OP, in my mind. As a junior or senior in high school, it’s very rare for somebody to know unequivocally that they are 100% dedicated to engineering and will pursue a career in engineering. About 35% of engineering students nationwide transfer out (just like many other students change their majors during their four years, and engineering is TOUGH) and I’d venture to bet that more than 50% of engineering grads don’t go into engineering. So, you have considerably less than 50% (I’d guess 30%, but admittedly can’t find exact figures in a study to back this up) of high school seniors who plan on pursuing a career in engineering that actually end up doing so. </p>
<p>Nobody thinks it’s going to be them, but most end up on an alternate path. I studied engineering and am not an engineer…When in high school, I thought I was 100% destined to be an engineer. Things change. This isn’t meant to suggest that Dartmouth is better than Berkeley at all for the OP, but rather that I don’t find it such a simplistic choice. If I was in a similar situation, I’d visit both and see what fits me better (but I’d probably also consider another school similar to Dartmouth that has a more established engineering program like Cornell or UPenn).</p>
<p>Better yet, wait until admission decisions actually come out as it’s certainly possible the admissions committee will make the decision for you.</p>
<p>… is a great prepratory for a business sector job because of the analytical nature of the major, including problem solving, etc, and a lot of firms specifically target those with this major. Add, that those who don’t specialize at Dartmouth may have this in mind. </p>
<p>Generally those who major in EE probably want to go into the chip-making business at least initially, and then go upward into management or start their own chip-making firms, both of which would undoubtedly involve more administration, than pure design.</p>
<p>Chardo stated very clearly that Dartmouth does offer specialty. He didn’t explain about the fifth year, in which case I wish he (edit: add “/she”) would, being, seemingly, that he/she knows about Dartmouth’s e program.</p>
<p>… there are some law firms out there taht are heavily into those who have BSEE degrees and the like and later went to law school, for things like intellectual property/patent law because they can relate to and understand these things.</p>
<p>Why don’t we look at this simply? If you’re into Asian girls, go to Berkeley. If you like White girls, go to Dartmouth. Simple. Especially since the OP has totally gotten into both school already. If you’re smart you should come up anywhere you go.</p>
<p>mr. prince your geniusness precedes your name, if that is even possible. =]</p>
<p>if you really care about that:
i’d say you’d get a healthy dose at both schools. =] berkeley is 42% asian and 30% white. dartmouth is 46% white and 14% asian. 14% isn’t that low, really.</p>
<p>Yes, BUT, if you are on the “slow” side, definitely go to Dartmouth. Cal actually expects students to study and I hear employers hire Dartmouth students without looking at their CVs or interviewing them!</p>
<p>For many/most? engineer wannabes the program in Hanover would be a negative, but not bcos of length. The reason D requires a 5th year for accreditation is that D requires everyone to complete its normal BA requirements, which includes lotsa readin’ and writin’; few such courses are available in the traditional engineering program due to the lack of possible electives if you want to get out in four years. OTOH, for an engineer would wants to also be an excellent writer, a program like D’s has some value (as does the 3/2 program at Emory/Ga Tech).</p>
<p>Nobody has mentioned a major difference between these schools–the D Plan. Dartmouth is on a quarterly system instead of the usual semesters. Students are typically on campus 3 of the 4 quarters each year, with the 4th used for internship, travel, or whatever. Shorter courses have a fast and furious pace, so students typically take 3 courses per term instead of the usual 5 per semester. This gives flexibility with scheduling, and can be a big help with internships, avoiding the glut of summer applicants.</p>