<p>^I really laughed out loud at that, LTS.</p>
<p>What losers–I guess like attracts like.</p>
<p>I am wondering if the parents were given an ultimatum - “sign the consent form or I will run away with him and you will never see me again”</p>
<p>or - “if you don’t sign the consent form I will commit suicide”</p>
<p>or - “if you don’t sign the form, I will have a relationship with him anyway” - if the parents are church-going folks - this one would have been unacceptable.</p>
<p>So, maybe the parents felt they did not really have a choice. I would have resorted to kidnapping my own child and moving to New Zealand (remember Elizabeth Morgan?)</p>
<p>As creepy as this is, and I am NOT approving… it happens. Both these people were churhies. religous people and religous families.</p>
<p>They might not even be having relations to put him away for. What if (and I can cite two separate cases one from my hs years and a recent one from my D’s friends) these people aren’t having sex while the relationship is forming and want to wait until marriage? That’s not against the law I believe to ask someone to marry. That’s what the release was for. </p>
<p>In my case my basketball coached married a fellow classmate within two months of graduation. He was maybe 12 years older and they both were deeply religous. They’re still married today. And yes, it was creepy back then too. But I guess it OK now. The other is too recent and my D would kill me as it is on and off again status. We just hope it’s off.</p>
<p>Real deep religious people, none of them perverts, but it is an ewww of it’s own. Again I am not endorsing this, but if they want to and he hasn’t broken any laws, whata do? I’ve seen nothing that states they’ve had premarital intercourse, so did he commit a crime? Again not endorsing so don’t personally attack me, but whata do?</p>
<p>“In my case my basketball coached married a fellow classmate within two months of graduation. He was maybe 12 years older and they both were deeply religous. They’re still married today.”</p>
<p>Same at my HS–bball coach married a cheerleader right after graduation. Still together 30 years later. He did lose the teaching job quietly.</p>
<p>Sad and freaky but unfortunately not unprecedented. About a decade ago a hugely talented high school runner took up with her coach. He had guided her to win the Footlocker/Kinney high school cross country national championship. Needless to say she had every big-time track and cross country college beating a path to her door. But under the spell of the psycho-coach she turned them all down. The coach boasted that he alone would guide her to an Olympic gold medal – and in very short order. </p>
<p>Her parents were distraught and did everything they could to get her back. I think the girl went to court to get emancipated from her parents, and while that was working its way through the courts she turned 18 and made the whole issue moot.</p>
<p>She basically dropped out of sight after that. Never made the Olympics. Never ran much in college. I think she eventually found some small college where they would let her continue to coached by her own outside coach instead of the team coach. But she never remotely lived up to her enormous talent. </p>
<p>Last I heard she had resurfaced a few years ago as a professional boxer.</p>
<p>Woody Allen still makes me mad</p>
<p>And so what if they are “deeply religious”, as if that makes it all okay</p>
<p>There is NO logical reason a coach should be texting a student at 2am. </p>
<p>And LTS your post # 20, is right on target!</p>
<p>Haha, I wondered when someone would reference Soon-Yi.</p>
<p>Opie, I have to admit that the thought crossed my mind that maybe they were not having relations. </p>
<p>However, even if that were the case, I still think it’s really, really wrong for a 40 year old to even “court” a 16 year old. I just think it’s predatory, and I definitely believe it’s an abuse of his position. People are upset over priests & boys in their parish … this isn’t different, other than the fact that it’s heterosexual. I wonder if that is what makes it more palatable to some? No matter what, I just think it’s far too vast an age difference. What on earth does a 40 year old have in common with a 16 year old? Someone earlier asked who will finish raising the girl. The answer is, her husband. THAT is what makes it “wrong!!”</p>
<p>…when I said “more palatable to some,” I didn’t mean to anyone here! I am not attacking those who try to understand the other side.</p>
<p>Citygirlsmom and kels,</p>
<p>Remember I agree with you, but my point is when they aren’t doing the “dirty” what laws make it a no no? The religious aspect always got me because I saw alot of that spring autum stuff… is there anything in the bible that forbids it? </p>
<p>After reading Barrons I’m worried we went to hs together. </p>
<p>That is until I talked to my S. Evidently it still happens. That’s the problem, what if they are really nice people? It’s not like my HS coach dumped her, they’re still married and he was a nice guy. </p>
<p>All I am left to think is there must be something missing in her relationship with her parents. It gets back to making sure you go to your kids stuff. Watch them, be there… cause if your not, maybe somebody else is?</p>
<p>All this started when Windy was 14 years old - I find it hard to believe that in all that time there was no evidence of anything illegal that would have stopped this guy in his tracks. I would have hired a detective and gotten the guy locked up. I’m sad to say that I think in some small way many other people fell under the spell of this guy, too. Bottom line is he was a predator who used his position as a tool to seduce and encourage a young girl. Sign consent papers? How about taking away the cell phone, the computer, changing schools, or if worst came to worst, a psychiatric evalation or even a commitment if she was showing signs of emotional breakdown. </p>
<p>Talk about teachers overstepping boundaries… this is exactly why I firmly believe that teachers should not. If for no other reason, it makes it that much easier to spot that first red flag (in this case, the 2 AM text messaging, the offering of rides, all of which it seems the school district minimized) when one is confronted with it.</p>
<p>Just saw this follow up article - how to handle a headstrong teenager:</p>
<p><a href=“How to Harness a Headstrong Teen - ABC News”>http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/LifeStages/story?id=3307093&page=1</a></p>
<p>I agree that the missing link in all this seems to have been the complete lack of the involvement of mental health professionals. A significant lapse, IMO.</p>
<p>No “nice guy” dates, in any way, one of his students…period…and at what point is it crossing the line into sexual bahavior- caresses, hand holding, necking, fondling, and the emotional aspects</p>
<p>whether it was illegal is irrelevant, it was morally wrong for a teacher to go after a student, and 99% of teachers know that…and wouldn’t even put themselves in the position of their motives being questioned</p>
<p>Sorry, “really nice people” don’t do that- go after minor girls</p>
<p>As for the spring autumn “stuff” it usually older guys with young immature girls- and so what if the bible doesn’t forbid it…is that the only moral compass some people use?</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/article/20070621/NEWS/706210439/0/business[/url]”>http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/article/20070621/NEWS/706210439/0/business</a></p>
<p>"Indeed, Betty and Bubba worry for their daughter’s future, but they admit they ran out of energy to fight: constantly trying to keep Windy from calling Wuchae, watching her at night as she left work to make sure she came directly home and arguing every time she wanted to ride with “Coach” to Wal-Mart or get something to eat with him.</p>
<p>“She would fly into a rage,” Betty said. In a perfected tantrum, Windy claimed they were just friends, Betty said".</p>
<p>(sounds like that girl was ready to get married- temper tantrums, lying, arguing)</p>
<p>and back to the Nice Guy bit, nice guys back off and don’t do something that is not in the best interest of someone they claim to love</p>
<p>ccm.</p>
<p>No arguement, don’t take it out on me. I don’t disagree with you, It has an eww factor, so does the war, poverty, paris hilton, absentee parents and what not… alot ain’t right in this place, but he didn’t break any laws, I guess even in gods eyes. I don’t like it, but her parents released her. Maybe they’ll be married for 30-40 years and she can be his live in nurse later in life. Things even up over time that Karma, it’s there.</p>
<p>How do we know he didn’t break any laws, all we have is him saying he didn’t…because nobody did much to stop his pursuing this student…</p>
<p>Opie-are you from Hunterdon County New Jersey?</p>
<h1>30, good point. There was a study done a couple of years ago at Hofstra which pointed to the fact that there is ten times the amount of abuse within the public education system in this country than there has been in the Catholic church. This study got very little notice.</h1>
<p>I guess I’m out of the loop–“both these people were churhies.” What does “churhies” mean? 
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