<p>my son wishes to apply to a few uc’s at the end of his freshman year and most likely will have 88 credits (40 AP’s and 48 college). can he get accepted to a uc and make up the 2 credits the summer of 2011???</p>
<p>90 units is the minimum requirement for Junior transfers. I’d say no chance of getting accepted w/o 90 units.</p>
<p>@ ventrresident & minilemon</p>
<p>Where are you guys getting this 90 from? On the UC site it states:
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<p>Source:[California</a> community college transfers](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/transfer/requirements/community-college/index.html]California”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/transfer/requirements/community-college/index.html)</p>
<p>Right in your quote…90 quarter units.</p>
<p>True but @ventrresident did not specify. I’m not trying to nitpick. My apologies.</p>
<p>I do believe you are correct though.</p>
<p>If OP is talking in quarter units, then he will need to get up to 90. As I recall, some UC campuses (Irvine pops into my mind, but I’m not sure) allow you to finish the last few units in the summer immediately before starting at UC, while others don’t. </p>
<p>A few other points, though… You say he wishes to apply at the end of his Freshman year. Does that mean he started at a CCC last month, taking 24 units, plans to take 24 units in Spring 2011, and is hoping to start at a UC in Fall 2011? If this is the case, the problem is that you have to apply a full year in advance. He’d need to apply by the end of November (a month from now) in order to start at UC in Fall 2011. </p>
<p>If he has zero CCC units done at the time of application, and only 24 that the adcoms can review (after the Spring update), I don’t think he would have a very good shot at admission. Remember, these are 24 quarter units, not semester units. 24 quarter units is roughly the standard load, so it’s not like he was taking a ton of units in one semester, something that might impress adcoms (e.g., “Okay, he doesn’t have very many units, but he did take twice the normal amount of units in one semester, and still got a 4.0. Must be a great student.”). </p>
<p>He can’t TAG in, either, because he needed to have 45 done by the TAG application deadline last month.</p>
<p>Assuming this is the case, I think he’ll be spending the standard two years at a CCC. He may have an empty semester or two (Spring 2012, most likely), but that’s unavoidable.</p>
<p>@ventrresident Where are his 48 college credits coming from? Is it a CC? If so, are they 48 semester units? </p>
<p>Your son only needs a minimum of 60 semester units to transfer (maximum of 90) to a UC.</p>
<p>@Grimes99</p>
<p>When you say “maximum of 90 transferable units” do you mean that you can take as many CC units but only 90 will transfer over, correct?</p>
<p>I’ve never got a direct answer from anyone. Everyone either has told me if you have over 90 units then your application will be thrown own or I’ve heard others mention that only 90 units will transfer over.</p>
<p>I’m only talking if the applicant has taken all their courses at CC. Not attended a 4 yr school and then transferred to CC, with the intentions of ultimately transferring to a UC.</p>
<p>@MitchAPalooza</p>
<p>“When you say “maximum of 90 transferable units” do you mean that you can take as many CC units but only 90 will transfer over, correct?”</p>
<p>It is actually 70 semester/105 quarter units. If you go over that, you get course credit for everything else but you are start at 105 quarter units after you transfer.</p>
<p>[Transfer</a> Admission Guarantee: Fall 2011](<a href=“http://www.ucsd.edu/prospective-students/transfers/prep-programs/tag.html]Transfer”>http://www.ucsd.edu/prospective-students/transfers/prep-programs/tag.html)</p>
<p>“I’ve never got a direct answer from anyone. Everyone either has told me if you have over 90 units then your application will be thrown own or I’ve heard others mention that only 90 units will transfer over.”</p>
<p>You will still be accepted, I know of one person who had 120 semester units (I forgot the exact number but it was well over a hundred) and got into UCB last year.</p>
<p>“I’m only talking if the applicant has taken all their courses at CC. Not attended a 4 yr school and then transferred to CC, with the intentions of ultimately transferring to a UC.”</p>
<p>Things become confusing for these guys, I think it is this where the 90 semester unit cap comes from.</p>
<p>Hi everyone! Thank you for all the helpful advice. My son will have 88 quarter credits at the end of his spring term using the UC charts for AP credits (been told these are quarter credits) and using the formula to convert semester credits (14 this semester and hopefully 18 next semester) to quarter credits. I was hoping that some UC’s will still give him some consideration looking at his high school GPA (weighted 4.21 Fall semester senior year, 4.19 overall at end of high school), 5 AP’s taken and SAT score of 2080. He’s willing to take a summer course at our local cc this summer and is aiming for A’s in all his classes at an excellent out of state university. He has decided that he would really like to finish the rest of his college years at a UC which is much closer to home.</p>
<p>Once a student has any college coursework, UCs don’t consider high school stuff at all (aside from a few requirements–foreign language, for instance). You don’t submit high school grades with your UC application, and you don’t submit a high school transcript if accepted. SAT scores don’t matter. All that matters is the number of major prereqs completed, the overall GPA, and the major prereq GPA. At UCLA TAP can make a difference, and at Cal, UCLA, and UCSB (iirc) the personal statement can made a difference (the other UCs don’t consider the personal statement).</p>
<p>Geez 40 units from AP? Am I the only person that doesn’t believe in that crap?</p>
<p>I don’t but due to the echo boom, officials decided to streamline the system and CCC’s fall under the K -12 umbrella. Also, the pressure from parents and peers have hyper-actively conditioned teens towards test taking over comprehension.</p>
<p>Less than a year ago editorial:</p>
<p>Advanced Placement classes, once open to only a very small number of top high school students around the country, have grown enormously in the past decade. The number of students taking these courses rose by nearly 50 percent to 1.6 million from 2004 to 2009. Yet in a survey of A.P. teachers released this year, more than half said that “too many students overestimate their abilities and are in over their heads.” Some 60 percent said that “parents push their children into A.P. classes when they really don’t belong there.”</p>
<p>Students who passed an A.P. science exam didn’t do much better in college science courses than those who hadn’t</p>
<p>Here is one of the dirty truths, much like how gerrymandering goes on:</p>
<p>“For high schools, having a lot of A.P. classes signals quality to the community and real estate markets.”</p>
<p>“For instance, data show that in public high school class of 2009, 274,000 students took the A.P. English literature exam, yet 350,000 students — many from minority, low-income, rural and urban communities — who had the same level of academic performance and credentials did not have access to the program. This pattern holds true across all A.P. subject areas.”</p>
<p>“In the last 10 years, Advanced Placement has become a game of labels and numbers, a public relations ploy used by school officials who are dumping as many students as they can into A.P. courses to create the illusion that they are raising overall standards and closing the gap between whites and minorities. In fact, they are doing just the opposite. And in the process, Advanced Placement has become the College Board’s cash cow as each year tens of thousands more students — or their school boards — fork over an $86 fee for each exam.”</p>
<p>^ I concur. 2080 on SAT’s and 4.2GPA… why not just go straight to a UC then? Oh, and if money is an issue, I believe that’s where scholarships and financial aid set in. For someone that talented, I’m pretty sure they will be able to get some free money</p>
<p>@feedayeen</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
<p>Ah yes the GPA issue…from the same article even though there is lots of documented evidence to display how out of control it has become…</p>
<p>Promoting Grade Inflation</p>
<p>Saul Geiser is a research associate at the Center for Studies in Higher Education, University of California, Berkeley.</p>
<p>The explosion of Advanced Placement courses is due in large part to A.P.’s expanded role in college admissions. This development was unforeseen when the College Board initiated the program in 1955 to award college credit to high-achieving students and enable them to place out of introductory college courses. Over time, however, A.P. has become increasingly important in college admissions, to the point where its role in admissions has now eclipsed its original placement function. </p>
<p>At many universities, the number of A.P. courses on an applicant’s high school transcript is a key consideration in admissions decisions. The most common practice is to award “bonus points” for A.P. classes in calculating students’ high school G.P.A.s. For example, a grade of “B”, which would normally be worth 3 grade points, is counted as 4 points for an A.P. course.</p>
<p>According to a recent survey by the National Association for College Admissions Counseling, about 70 percent of all U.S. high schools award bonus points for A.P. classes. This boosts students’ high school G.P.A.s and improves their admissions profiles — the average G.P.A. among applicants at highly selective institutions is now well over 4.0. Giving bonus points for A.P. courses in college admissions unfairly boosts high school G.P.A.s.</p>
<p>Testimonial to how AP concentrate on testing over knowledge from a student…</p>
<p>While n High School, I took a couple of AP courses in science and math and was disappointed to discover the same “teaching to the test” syndrome that has now become so common place in many courses throughout secondary education. At some point when focusing on how to score well on the AP exam, students are given very little time for the interesting digressions that are most important in developing a real, lasting passion for a subject.</p>
<p>A teacher testimonial…</p>
<p>As a veteran teacher (35 years), I watched an increasing number of AP courses encroach on our tradition of independent rigorous courses. The increase was fueled by parental anxiety about college admissions and enabled by some school staff. The idea of cultivating a love of learning for its own sake was lost in the cynical gamesmanship by students,choosing AP courses strategically rather than courses they would have preferred to take. This was done in order to dress up the transcript–sometimes without the slightest intention of taking the exam. The classes also had the impact of segregating students in a needlessly rigid way, driving even the most modest heterogeneity from the classroom.</p>
<p>Lastly, none of the commentators–several of whom made the points that I, as a teacher, encountered and witnessed–mentioned that AP is part of huge testing industry that earns great bushels of money for a so-called non-profit business called the “College Board,” a business that earns for its top officers six figure salaries. Let’s stop being so beguiled by AP, even while we remain committed
to rigor and high standards. Let’s turn down the flame under the college admission madness and instead re-ignite an authentic love for learning. </p>
<p>Truth of the matter is most 4.0 students today are actually average (C students) and if were tested 50 to 100 years ago would have been an F student. Haven’t some of you figured out yet that exploiting the lack of understanding and experience of youth and how they are manipulated and exploited in the US because doing so is a HUGE MONEY MAKER?!?!?</p>
<p>I think if HS students want to get college credit for classes they take, they should take college classes. Of course, in the UC system this would make you a lower division transfer and screw you up bigtime. Hurray UC system! lol.</p>
<p>@MitchAPalooza:</p>
<p>If you have over 90 semester units, that’s fine. The ONLY stipulation is that only 20 of those are allowed to be from a UC school. For example, if you have 150 CC units, you’re 100% fine, but only 90 will be transferred. The other 60 would count toward your GPA, but you won’t get credit for them. You can only transfer a maximum of 90 units. </p>
<p>Now let’s say you go to a UC school for two quarters and rack up 32 quarter units. That would be over 20 semester units, so you would not be able to transfer as a CC student anymore; from that point forward you would have to transfer as a UC to UC student. </p>
<p>I know it’s confusing, but basically if you get all your units from a CC, you can have 60, 90, 200… it doesn’t matter at all. Only 90 will be “transferable” toward your major, but the rest still affect your GPA.</p>
<p>@Grimes99</p>
<p>Really it cleared it up. Thanks.</p>
<p>You got it! :)</p>