Transferring to UCLA v UC Berkeley

Hi everyone!

I’ma fairly competitive traditional transfer applicant to UCLA, as well as Berkeley.

I’ve been in love with the idea of attending Berkeley since the 10th grade. However, after visiting the transfer day at UCLA, I’ve definitely been turned onto the of pursuing a degree at UCLA.

I’m a political science major, but I’m more concerned about the following…

Which school has a better Greek system?

Which is more research based?

Which has the better social life?

Which has the better transfer graduation rate?

Where would it be easier to pursue research?

Where would it be easier to find internships?

Overall campus environment–which do you think is better?

Quarter v Semester system? Pros and cons?

And the top three reasons to attend either campus(:

I’ve yet to visit Berkeley, but I’m driving up this winter. I have always pictured myself leaving my region entirely for University, but UCLA was definitely appealing. I’m extremely interested in a Creative Writing and Theatre Minor, both of which are offered at Berkeley. I know UCLA only has an English minor, but that might not cut if for me. Ultimately, I want to write comedy.

Thoughts?

Thank you so, so much in advance!
-solostish

Posted it early in the morning, so bumping!(:

Which school has a better Greek system?
Probably UCLA, but I can’t say for certain.
Which is more research based?
Both are top research universities. Opportunities are aplenty at both schools - both are thoroughly research based.
Which has the better social life?
Depends on what you’re looking for, I suppose. Perhaps UCLA, but at both schools, many people are occupied in their studies.
Which has the better transfer graduation rate?
I dunno. If you are able to get in, you should be fine, honestly. PoliSci isn’t impacted.
Where would it be easier to pursue research?
I dunno. I’m pretty sure both have opportunities.
Where would it be easier to find internships?
I dunno. Internships are tough to find anywhere. It’s essentially Bay Area vs. SoCal. Both are flooded with opportunities, but they’re all quite competitive, naturally.
Overall campus environment–which do you think is better?
Again, depends on what you’re looking for. UCLA’s campus is beautiful, as is Berkeley’s. Visiting Berkeley would be a good idea. The libraries at Cal are beautiful.
Quarter v Semester system? Pros and cons?
Quarter: as described by my friend who attends LA, “if you have a bad professor or something, it’s only 10 weeks.”
Semester: long, but DEAD WEEK BEFORE FINALS!
And the top three reasons to attend either campus(:
Can’t give this to you, it’s your decision after all. Both are excellent schools.

Thank you, @goldencub !!(:

Anyone else?

I’m a current UCLA transfer, so hopefully my perspective will help a little.

UCLA seems to have a more active social scene than Cal, but I could be wrong, so maybe the frats here are more active. The social scene at UCLA is definitely active. You may want to look into Berkeley’s frats more.

Both schools are research universities with very high activity. No shortage of research opportunities here, though it may be harder to get one as a transfer since you’re only there for a couple of years.

Better social life? Hard to say. They say Berkeley students study all the time and UCLA’s more well-rounded, but I’ve always thought Berkeley was a place with lots of cool things to do. Also, San Francisco isn’t far away thanks to the BART transportation system there. That’s hard to beat. Los Angeles has crappy public transportation, so having a car here will help a lot. Still, there’s lots of things to do in Westwood and elsewhere in the city.

Internships are plentiful at both schools, so I doubt there’s a competitive advantage to going to either.

Overall campus environment? Well, I’m biased, so I think you’ll know which campus environment I think is better. I recommend that if you can, try to explore the campuses of both schools.

Quarter v. semester: Quarter systems feel more rushed since you have to study more in smaller amounts of time, but there seems to be more variety in the classes you can take for your major, and as @goldencub already said, a bad professor is someone you only have to deal with for 10 weeks.

Semesters drag out more, but they seem to be more relaxed. One caveat I should mention: people consistently complain about how hard Berkeley is(I think it’s exaggerated, but whatever), so it seems Berkeley adjusts the difficulty of their classes so that you don’t slack off on the semester system, which is a real possibility. Also, as @goldencub said, there’s a dead week before finals. You get a lot of time to study.

The schools have roughly equal transfer graduation rates from what I’ve seen. I don’t know about Berkeley, but UCLA’s poli sci program is very impacted. This may make it a little harder to graduate on time, but it can probably still be done without taking summer session classes. Even if you have to do that, UCLA gives pretty good summer session financial aid if you go full time in the summers.

Top three reasons to go to either school? I’ll try to give you some.

UCLA:

  1. It's UCLA. #2 public university in the country.
  2. Great food and a very active campus that always has activities going on in the campus.
  3. Renowned professors.

Berkeley:

  1. It's Berkeley. #1 public university in the country. Renowned professors all around and poli sci is no exception.
  2. Although I think the intellectual capabilities of students at UCLA and Berkeley are equal overall, Berkeley seems to be known for its intellectual campus atmosphere. UCLA students are definitely capable of holding an intelligent and high level conversation on just about anything from what I've seen, but aren't as inclined to do so as freely as Berkeley students are.
  3. It's a very liberal school, if you're into that sort of thing as a poli sci major. Maybe you're left wing and maybe you're not, but regardless, political activism is at the heart of the culture of UC Berkeley. As a poli sci major, you'll no doubt appreciate that if you decide to go here.

I agree with everything said in both above posts. Will add:

  1. You really need to visit both campuses. They are 180 degrees opposed. I think it's fair to say Berkeley celebrates the independent student. There is a ton to do but you need to be a bit more pro-active. Definitely quirkier. UCLA has more the quintessential college town vibe, a bit more self-contained. Berkeley is in an urban area, UCLA in Bel Air (think Beverly Hills). It's also pretty easy to get around Berkeley without a car (busses and shuttles are free to students), although with uber and lyft, it's getting easier everywhere.
  2. Internships. UCLA is in the entertainment center of the world, Berkeley, the tech center of the world. While internships may overlap, companies tend to hire from the closest UC. Consider the field you wish to go in to. Not only may one UC provide a wider range of internships, it could very well be where you'll end up living, and students tend to choose UCs more often than not based on where they live and where they plan to stay. While this is not a 100% constant, assume if you live and work in Silicon Valley/SF, for example, more former Berkeley classmates will probably be within arm's length. Vice versa if you live and work nearer L.A.
  3. Semester vs quarter. Whereas I used to be a fan of quarter, I'm moving more toward semester: dead week, as noted; plus, you won't have three sets of midterms, finals and final papers; and you get a fairly equal selection of courses: 3 courses per quarter = 9, whereas 4 courses per semester = 8. The pace with semester is a bit more civilized. Also, most summer internships and study abroad programs are based around the semester system, as that is the universal standard. (This may be more variable if a local internship program is recruiting from UCLA.)
  4. Grading: google "schedulebuilder Berkeley," and then choose various courses and check out the grading. All the averages seem to be A-to B-. While a few majors are notoriously difficult, I believe gradewise the two UCs are fairly equal.

Ultimately, though, you really need to choose the one with the vibe that best aligns to your sensibilities.

Thank you for the help! I’m pursuing poli-sci mostly for comedy. I have a background in performance. I feel as if UCLA would be beneficial because of its proximity to The Groundlings, while UC Berkeley is close to SF, and its laid back atmosphere in general.

I get bored of classes really fast, so I think the quarter system would benefit me. I tend to start strong, and slowly lose momentum (A+s turn to A-s), so with the quarter system, I don’t think I’d lose interest. Also, three classes a quarter?! I’m probably wrong, but that doesn’t seem bad at all?! I’m taking six courses right now…and I’d love to only be taking three!

(I haven’t posted on here in ages)

I’m studying Political Science at Berkeley, with subfield specialization(s) in American Politics and Comparative Politics. I think PoliSci is a great program at Cal - of course I’m bias but I think the political environment is quite interesting and you’ll be living in a college town. I don’t really consider Westwood as a college town, but some may argue otherwise…

Cons to studying at Berkeley:

  • It's tough. There's a lot of readings. It's a semester system after all - it's going to be more detailed to cover 16 weeks instead of 10. But it's surely doable!

-Classes are large (ranging from 60 to 150). Smallest size for political science classes is usually 40. There are a few rare ones that only have 20 (I’m also not counting junior seminars because those are different).

But then, here are my pros:

-Beautiful libraries!

-San Francisco Bay Area culture and the best public transportation!

-Sweater weather. Enough said…

Anyway, at the end of the day…it’s all about where you want to spend undergrad. Just find the right fit.

@solostish If you are into performance and the Groundlings, UCLA seems the obvious choice. There’s a small improv group that operates about a block from campus. I can’t recall the name. There are also a couple at Berkeley - one being Jericho Improv. Here’s one of their better performances:

http://youtu.be/NHpHOgNyewY