Twelve Year Old Girls Slenderman Stabbing and other Horrors

[sally305]

<p>In this case, the parents may have contributed to the mindset of at least one of the girls.</p>

<p><a href=“Father of Wisconsin girl who 'stabbed friend' shared Slender Man sketch on Instagram | Daily Mail Online”>Father of Wisconsin girl who 'stabbed friend' shared Slender Man sketch on Instagram | Daily Mail Online;

[sax]

<p>Oh,boy. That’s just not good. </p>

[fluffy2017]

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I do not agree, however, with charging them as adults.

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<p>You don’t need to charge them as adults.</p>

<p>Just have a punishment that fits the crime.</p>

[emeraldkity4]

<p>Columbine was different, plus those kids were in high school.
Twelve is barely out of grade school.</p>

[Vladenschlutte]

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I agree that they shouldn’t be tried as adults. I teach kids as old as eleven and I just can’t imagine any of them committing a crime with the same thought process as an adult. I do wish there was some compromise between being tried as a juvenile and being free at 18 and being tried as an adult with a life sentence.

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<p>I’m pretty sure a juvenile sentence can be given for until the perpetrator is 25.</p>

[jeannemar]

<p>We asked our boys (ages 13 & 17) about Slenderman and they had never heard anything that related to what these girls were saying. They just sound messed up. It reminded me of a horrible incident years ago when two middle school girls set </p>

[sally305]

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“People that trust you are very gullible,” Geyser told a detective. They passed by a public bathroom and some trees, and then, “Stabby, stab, stab,” Geyser said.</p>

<p>“The bad part of me wanted her to die,” Weier told the detective. “The good part of me wanted her to live.”</p>

<p>Morgan Geyser, the accused accomplice, was not so conflicted: “It was weird that I didn’t feel remorse,” she told a detective, the complaint said. She later added that it was “probably wrong.”

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<p><a href=“Victim of stabbing up and walking. 'Our little girl is a fighter'”>Chicago News - Chicago Tribune - Chicago Tribune;

<p>They knew exactly what they were doing. And they planned it for months. I don’t see a big difference between boys at 16 or 17 and girls at 12 who are “mature” enough to not only think about something like this, but to actually go and do it.</p>

[Consolation]

<p>I saw the father in question sobbing and apologizing on TV. The other father said “no comment.” THere is no way to draw any conclusions here. </p>

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I wonder if we would feel the same if two boys had perpetrated such a crime?

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<p>I would. We draw the distinction between kids and adults because we recognize the differences. Period.</p>

<p>It may be that one or both of these kids is a sociopath who will never get out. That’s okay. But that doesn’t make either of them are adults NOW. Look up Jon Ronson’s article about the psychopath test.</p>

[eyemamom]

<p>Here’s another awful story of juveniles <a href=“Autistic boy abused in Maryland: Why did he think his bullies were his friends?”>http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/03/14/autistic_boy_abused_in_maryland_why_did_he_think_his_bullies_were_his_friends.html&lt;/a&gt; The older one was the one who masterminded it, but somehow managed to get charged as a juvenile. She’ll get less time than the “less guilty” younger one. </p>

[NewHavenCTmom]

<p>@emeraldkity4‌ </p>

<p>The point I’m trying to make is that parents should know what’s going on…even in high school. My son who is 22 always jokes and says he was afraid to have a girly magazine around, let alone do what some of his classmates did because I was like a sheriff. </p>

<p>It looks like the parents were part of the problem with this case. Sad.</p>

<p>@Consolation‌ I think these girls should get the book thrown at them. I think we as a society look for leniency when it comes to female offenders. It’s just my opinion and maybe I’m wrong. </p>

[fluffy2017]

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We draw the distinction between kids and adults because we recognize the differences. Period.

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<p>So? The only difference is their age which is an arbitrary distinction.</p>

<p>A 17 year, 11 month old is not fundamentally different than someone who just turned 18.</p>

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It may be that one or both of these kids is a sociopath who will never get out. That’s okay.

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<p>That should be what determines their sentence, not their age.</p>

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But that doesn’t make either of them are adults NOW.

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<p>Okay. Let’s stop calling them adults.
Let’s just say the punishment should fit the crime.</p>

[NewHavenCTmom]

<p>@fluffy2017‌ I saw somewhere that they are looking at 65 years. </p>

[fluffy2017]

<p>@newhavenctmom That is certainly possible that that is what the maximum sentencing is when all the potential charges are considered with the sentences running concurrently. But that is all it means.</p>

[Niquii77]

<p>Due punishment needs to be dealt. If that’s them being locked up, so be it. </p>

[Vladenschlutte]

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@Consolation‌ I think these girls should get the book thrown at them. I think we as a society look for leniency when it comes to female offenders. It’s just my opinion and maybe I’m wrong.

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<p>At the expense of the taxpayer? Because when you give uselessly long sentences that’s part of who you’re harming. </p>

<p>If you’re advocating 65 years you realize you’re potentially advocating for them to die in prison. You’re advocating taxpayers pay $5 million for it as well ($37,994/inmate/year<em>2 inmates</em>65 years). One for attempted murder, the other for what? Conspiracy? Two 12 year olds. </p>

[sally305]

<p>It’s not often that I agree with fluffy but I do here. I have read a lot of local coverage on this case and it is pretty chilling. </p>

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Two 12-year-old girls plotted to kill a classmate, luring her to a weekend birthday-party sleepover and then a wooded park where one they stabbed her repeatedly, according to authorities.</p>

<p>One child held the victim to the ground while the other plunged the knife into her chest, arms and legs

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<p><a href=“12-Year-Olds Planned Birthday Stabbing of Friend and Classmate: Cops | Waukesha, WI Patch”>12-Year-Olds Planned Birthday Stabbing of Friend and Classmate: Cops | Waukesha, WI Patch;

[fluffy2017]

<p>@vladenschlutte And yet people think that parents should have known that the “VIrgin Killer” would potentially harm himself or people…although he had no history of hurting anyone.</p>

<p>In this case, we know that they were very able and willing and tried to kill someone in a brutal way - something planned over many months - much more than we knew about the Virgin Killer. Would you pay $5M of taxpayer money to prevent the 6 deaths and other injuries in Santa Barbara? Or the Sandy Hook killings? Or Columbine? </p>

<p>65 years is a bit much.
Secondly, you are using the fallacy of fixed vs. variable costs in your numbers. </p>

<p>I bought a bunch of skiing gear - cost me $1,000.
Went skiing twice. That is $500/trip.</p>

<p>Glad I went only twice because at that rate, it was too much.</p>

[Niquii77]

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If you’re advocating 65 years you realize you’re potentially advocating for them to die in prison. You’re advocating taxpayers pay $5 million for it as well ($37,994/inmate/year<em>2 inmates</em>65 years). One for attempted murder, the other for what? Conspiracy? Two 12 year olds.

In simple terms, is the desire for these girls’ lives to be miserable worth 5 million dollars? </p>

[NewHavenCTmom]

<p>@Vladenschlutte‌ </p>

<p>Let’s say they get released at the age of 25 and they are repeat offenders? Then what? Who would want these monsters as neighbors in 13 -14 years? I just don’t see any easy answers to this. If they are tossed in jail until they are almost 80, we don’t have to worry about them being repeat offenders. </p>

[Vladenschlutte]

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Secondly, you are using the fallacy of fixed vs. variable costs in your numbers.

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<p>If the prisons are private then they’re paid per inmate. I don’t know if these will be or not.</p>

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In simple terms, is the desire for these girls’ lives to be miserable worth 5 million dollars?

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<p>Potentially more than that, because they won’t be paying taxes while they’re in prison. </p>

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Let’s say they get released at the age of 25 and they are repeat offenders? Then what? Who would want these monsters as neighbors in 13 -14 years? I just don’t see any easy answers to this. If they are tossed in jail until they are almost 80, we don’t have to worry about them being repeat offenders.

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<p>Then it happens. Using that logic, just because I haven’t killed anyone before I should be locked up because… You never know. I might. That could have been prevented if I was in prison. </p>

<p>I cannot tell you what the right sentence is as I don’t know all the facts of the case, but if I had to form an opinion based on what little I know, I think I would say that a 13 year sentence (released at age 25) sounds reasonable. They will be different people in 13 years. Hell, that’s a typical sentence for attempted murder, by adults. Keep in mind that even if they had killed her, it’d still be 2nd degree since no one under the age of 18 can be charged with 1st degree murder. </p>