The fact that she was hiding it from them suggests no, probably not.
I’m guessing no, because that’s how “sneaking out” works.
I wouldn’t call being exploited by an adult predator an “extra-curricular”
Maybe let these poor parents bury their child first before judging them.
@raclut , Since you have outlined all the bad things that have happened at Virginia schools in the last few years, I will draw your attention to one you missed- the University of Mary Washington murders. All of this is terrible. Bad stuff happens everywhere. The alleged murderers from this VT murder and the female murderer of Samantha at VT that you noted were from Maryland. Are you going to start banning Maryland kids from VT on the remote chance they might end up murdering someone? Again, bad stuff happens . Everywhere.
@sevmom That thought never crossed my mind and I never said anything about banning students. I myself grew up in MD. Too much has happened too close to home and the local news coverage of these past events has been extensive. We are just sharing our thoughts here and everyone is entitled to have their own views. We can respect each others views even if they are different than ours. I have nothing more to say on this topic.
I was of course not serious about banning Maryland students. I hope your daughter is happy at her college. If Virginia Tech or UVa were not right for her, or they were too far away, or you were concerned for her safety at these schools based on past incidents, you are doing the right thing by having her not attend. Peace of mind for a parent is important.
Discusses how some teens are using social media. I had a friend tell me that she had an app from which she could track every site her daughter was accessing on the web.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/slain-teen%e2%80%99s-social-media-life-becomes-cautionary-tale-for-peers/ar-BBpbTFz?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
That’s a good article, raclut. How does your friend use the app? Does she look at all her daughter’s private messages or just monitor how often she’s on sites and what sites she’s going to?
Eisenhauer had his detractors, apparently, in his glory days back in MD. Wonder what excuses (oops…explanations) his lawyer will come up with? Keepers went to counseling department at VT. Wonder if her counselor will “lose” her file the way Cho’s counselor at VT did nearly a decade ago? Wonder if Keepers’ lawyer will claim she was threatened or intimidated somehow into assisting Eisenhauer. Maybe she had a “thing” for him. It will be interesting to see what is concocted for her defense.
I will have to find out @sevmom . My niece was just given an iphone when she turned 12. I don’t think my sister is very tech savy. I will find out about the app because it is good to be aware of what is available so that we can protect our kids online. Social media was not an issue when we were growing up. If we made a call it was from the home telephone or the payphone. There was no email, cellphone usage, and internet usage then.
Even if there is such an app we only have limited access. For example suppose a child is visiting her friends home and they are playing on the computer. Do the parents know what sites they are accessing? We had an issue with my niece where she went to a friends house and the mother was not aware that her daughter was looking at Myllie Cyrus pictures on the web that were not suitable for them to be looking at. My niece came home and told her parents and they informed that girls parents. Kids know how to delete history. The issue is how do parents stay one step ahead of them. How do we maintain a relationship with our kids so that there is open communication and they don’t hide from us?
They will make mistakes but some of them you just can’t recover from.
“She was about to reveal our relationship to her parents or other authorities and I don’t want to be prosecuted as a pedophile and have the rest of my life ruined by being on a sex offender data base.”
That sounds about as typical as any of the above reasons.
^^ So instead he’ll have the rest of his life ruined by being murderer AND a pedofile on a sex offender data base…
(allegedly… at least for the time being, of course.)
They probably thought they were smart enough to get away with this. Clearly, they were not.
Keepers parents have been much more visible in all this. I have not seen any mention of Eisenhauer’s parents except for some reference to the family moving to Maryland from Yakima in 2013. And reference to his family having an expensive home in Columbia, Md. But no pictures of the parents and he seems to have a court appointed attorney as opposed to an attorney hired by the family. . But maybe I’ve missed something with that and in terms of who is representing him?
Also interesting is that Keepers’ lawyer has been busy, and now her public FB page has been purged of all photos and posts (there were a lot when I looked the other day), and her Linkedin page has been removed. I also saw that a few days ago.
Eisenhauer doesn’t appear to have a FB page or Linkedin page, either. His FB page has been changed, also. I don’t know if he ever had a Linkedin page.
There are still plenty of photos of them out there, though.
I really question whether students who have significant mental illness and cutting behaviors should go to colleges where they live away from home as freshmen. Colleges aren’t psychiatric hospitals, and expecting a college to provide prolonged therapy for a student is unreasonable. Engineering school is a pressure cooker at the best of times.
I had just seen that article, too arabrab. Lots of commenters are wondering the same thing, in terms of why she was going to school so far away. And certainly, murdering a young girl goes way beyond any possible initial adjustments a person would have to starting college. Her lawyers are really playing up her “mental illness.” She seems to have been excited by the idea of plotting this murder in secret. I doubt she would have admitted any homicidal thoughts to a counselor . But, we have not seen any of the records, due to privacy laws.
If she divulges mental health problems as a factor in her defense, mental health records will likely be subpoenaed.
It’s inconceivable how two very normal kids came to this.
I suspect this is a case of two psychopaths meeting and recognizing each other as kindred spirits.
There is nothing normal about this story. Targeting a very vulnerable child, abducting her, killing her, hiding the body…the fact that two adults agreed to this and made it happen is frightening.
It really does seem more like something out of Criminal Minds. Most kids that are simply depressed or anxious just don’t go around plotting the death of a young girl and helping to dispose of her body.
Where is there evidence that they were “normal,” VA? What does that even mean anyway?
Just to be very clear (responding to several posts): self-harming and harming others rarely go hand in hand. Self-harming is about coping with your own internal pain and has very little to do with the actual violence itself.
Lots and lots and lots of people who were former “cutters”/engaged in acts of self-harm and severely depressed people go off to college every year and do just fine. I don’t think it’s up to us to tell others whether or not they “should” go off to college because we don’t know how well their depression, etc is managed. I think those are decisions students and parents need to make and definitely not the schools.
Most forms of mental illness- especially depression and anxiety- are not linked to external violence in any way.