<p>Lack of girls is the only thing that irks me.</p>
<p>Vladenschlutte, I am not sure I agree with your statement. Most international students who come to the US major in Engineering, Business or Economics. Michigan’s reputation international both overall and in those three fields is stellar. As an alumni recruiter, I have seen the types of universities that students from the UAE turn down in favor of Michigan. Over the last 6 years as recruiter, Michigan has drawn against Cal, Cornell, Duke, Northwestern and Penn in the recruitment battle and consistantly beats out Georgia Tech, Texas and UIUC. The only universities that win the recruitment battle for international students are HYPSM and perhaps Columbia and Caltech. The quality of the international students I have seen get admitted into Michigan has been pretty strong.</p>
<p>ali, unforunately that’s what it’s like for any other engineering schools :(</p>
<p>Why does it matter? Engineers are not barred from socializing with other university students. Michigan as a whole is 50% female. Engineering students can take classes in LSA, they can live on Central Campus etc…</p>
<p>Also curious about the grad school question. Are the days where an employer hires you with a B.S. and pays for you to go to school over? Are there any jobs available for engineers with a B.S., or do companys look for M.S+?</p>
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<p>Some companies are willing to pay for you to go to school. Some aren’t. This situation hasn’t really changed - it’s field- and company- dependent. Generally, when they pay for you to go to school, they pay for you to go part-time and they require you to spend a certain amount of time with the company in exchange, so there are tradeoffs.</p>
<p>Most engineering jobs are for BS+ candidates. There are specific exceptions in certain fields, but the overwhelming majority of engineers start their first jobs with a BS. Of course, some do go back to school (or go part time) and complete an MS. The fraction of people with PhDs is relatively small, but they exist as well.</p>
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<p>Date girls that are in LSA or in any other part of the school. You’re not truly isolated - you’re a bus ride away. It’s entirely possible to be on central every single day despite living on north - you’ll almost certainly be there for classes freshman year. And you’ll definitely be going to central to have fun on weekends. </p>
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<p>You’ll be competing with everyone. It’s sort of irrelevant, since your goal isn’t really to compete with any particular subset of people, just everyone in your class. For the most part, people come in and start off on the same foot, so it’s all about your ability to study/work/etc…</p>
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<p>The majority at UM and probably everywhere else do not. But the decision to go to grad school or not depends a great deal on your interests and your intended major and field. So you’ll have to tell us more.</p>
<p>Alexandre, that’s just my personal observation. Some international students are great students who had their pick of some other great universities I know, but it’s not the case of everyone. It really does seem that there’s a higher prevalence of rich than smart and hardworking among international students.</p>
<p>Vladensclutte, I think your observation is partially correct. The vast majority of international students at Michigan come very very wealthy families. How else could they afford paying $200,000? Remember that international students pay full freight, get no scholraships or financial aid and their parents do not take out loans. They basically have $200,000 in cash laying around.</p>
<p>That said, admissions into Michigan for international students is pretty competitive. In most countries, the acceptance rate is well under 35% with credentials well above the Michigan average.</p>
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<p>Vladensclutte, I think your observation is partially correct. The vast majority of international students at Michigan come very very wealthy families. How else could they afford paying $200,000? Remember that international students pay full freight, get no scholraships or financial aid and their parents do not take out loans. They basically have $200,000 in cash laying around.</p>
<p>That said, admissions into Michigan for international students is pretty competitive. In most countries, the acceptance rate is well under 35% with credentials well above the Michigan average. </p>
<p>“Some international students are great students who had their pick of some other great universities I know, but it’s not the case of everyone.”</p>
<p>I looked over my records. I am not going to bore you with the exact details, but I spoke to every single student admitted into Michigan from the UAE over the last 6 years. We are talking about over 130 students. Of those, over 65% were considering at least one other university I consider among the top 20 nationally. That list includes all 11 “Ivy Plus” schools (the 8 Ivies, Chicago, MIT and Stanford) as well as other good universities such Cal, Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern and Rice. The yield rate for those students was 40%. It was roughly 50% when not including HYPSM. </p>
<p>The UAE is not special mind you. Even back in my days, many international students I knew at Michigan, myself included, chose Michigan over other top universities. </p>
<p>That is not to say that there aren’t many international students who are “average” or who did not have many choices, but I would not use the word “some” to discribe the number of excellent international students who chose Michigan from a list of top universities. In fact, I would say that the majority fall in that group</p>
<p>Just some information for prospective engineers, the work is hard but manageble.The calculus classes ( and they are hard whether you’ve taken Calc in HS or not) and chemistry lecture and labs require a lot of group work. Eng 100 also requires a lot of group work. Eng prof are top notch and make that evident. Prof and GSI’s for Calc and chem are also very supportive and accessible for questions and clarification. They do want you to succeed.</p>
<p>Social life…you will be in the library a lot but there is plenty of time for social with the friends you meet. It’s not constant and good time budgeting skills are a must. Pledging a fraternity may have to go on hold untill the winter…but that doesn’t mean you can’t attend the parties and Sat pregame before the football games.</p>
<p>You have to decide how driven you are and how mature you are in keeping your time frames set. Good communication skills to interact with professors are a must. </p>
<p>My son loves Michigan now but it took a while for him to get there. Best wishes to all of you!! Oh yes, he was very social in HS…you need to set your priorities before you go.</p>
<p>Vladenschlutte, I have met many international students, including some grad students, but I cannot find 1 person who does average or poorly in school. Well there is this OOS lazy kid who lived in VA for few yrs. And internationals being rich is a no brainer given, what the hell are you doing in another country if you can’t afford full pay?</p>
<p>And while we’re griping about certain groups, I’ve found a good number of kids from private HSs to be stuck up. Not all, but more from private schools than not.</p>
<p>Haha, looks like everyone has widely varied experiences. I don’t have good experiences with the quality of international students.</p>
<p>You mean all those kids who come from the ESA (Eight Schools Association) (cough…Bearcats…cough!)?</p>
<p>just browsing the wiki page I think they are stuck up</p>
<p>Alexandre, I have heard of Prep9 and Ten School Admissions Organization (TSAO), where the overlapped members + St Pauls (not in TSAO) form the elite 7/little ivies. </p>
<p>But I have never heard of the ESA. Anyway just looking at the ESA wiki page I can tell that it is an epic fail. Including NMH in a group with the elite 7 to form a group of 8 is dumb.</p>
<p>Anyway I dont think there are that many “ESA” grads at Michigan maybe except for NMH grads. If you use my class as example, top 30% mostly enrolled in Yale (Hotchkiss started as a Yale prep school), HPSM, Wharton, columbia, dartmouth, duke while the next 40% tend to go to top LAC (Williams, Swarthmore etc), Brown, Cornell, Vandy, Emory, UVA, CMU, Tufts etc in that order. </p>
<p>Kids are typically east coast type who wouldnt leave the east coast unless it is stanford. Very few enrolled at publics (top or not) with the exception of UVA.</p>
<p>I agree Bearcats, but there are still far more than 100 TSAO (or alums of equivallent institutions) students enrolled at Michigan at any point in time (roughly 20 or so annually).</p>
<p>Also, like you, I expected significantly more of their students to enroll into UVa given the East Coast bias, but somehow, just as many enroll into Michigan. Below are some figures for the last 4-5 years:</p>
<p>Choate Rosemary Hall:
Michigan 10
UVa N/A</p>
<p>Deerfield Academy (2010 only):
Michigan 2
UVa 4</p>
<p>Hill School (probably the weakest of the ten)
Michigan N/A
UVa 5</p>
<p>Hotchkiss:
Michigan 5
UVa 7</p>
<p>Lawrenceville:
Michigan 9
UVa 21</p>
<p>Loomis Chaffee:
Michigan N/A
UVa N/A</p>
<p>Phillips Academy:
Michigan 11
UVa 9</p>
<p>Phillips Exeter:
Michigan 16
UVa 3</p>
<p>St Paul:
Michigan 9
Uva 7</p>
<p>Taft School:
Michigan N/A
UVa 9</p>
<p>Although not members of the TSAO, I consider the following schools to be just as good:</p>
<p>Brearley:
Michigan 1
UVa N/A</p>
<p>Chapin School:
Michigan N/A
UVa 2</p>
<p>Collegiate:
Michigan 3
UVa 1</p>
<p>Dalton:
Michigan 7
UVa N/A</p>
<p>Nightingale Bamford:
Michigan 3
UVa N/A</p>
<p>Spence School:
Michigan 4
UVa 1</p>
<p>Trinity School:
Michigan 3
UVa 2</p>
<p>TOTAL:
Michigan 83
UVa 71</p>
<p>Considering that those are only Northeastern Schools, Michigan’s performance is certainly stronger than I had anticipated. In fact, Michigan receives an equal number of students as most non-Ivy privates.</p>
<p>Is there a Engineering Honors Program?
I see people on the forums saying they got an invitation to the honors program, but it seems only LSA students?</p>