U of M or MSU

<p>Hi I'm a high school senior who thinks they want to go into engineering. I was accepted into MSU, but deferred to U of M. I have yet to hear whether I've been accepted to U of M yet, but I'm leaning towards MSU anyway. Before I make my final decision I want to know a couple of things. </p>

<p>-I know that U of M is higher ranked for engineering. Will this greatly affect my ability to get jobs in the future? Will it be easier to get jobs out of state if I went to U of M over MSU?</p>

<p>-Is it better to be towards the top of the class at MSU or is it better to be somewhere in the middle at U of M?</p>

<p>-I need to research this myself, but what are the strongest engineering programs at each college?</p>

<p>Any help would be appreciated. My parents also agree that MSU is abetter fit for me. </p>

<p>-Also...would it be worth the effort to transfer after one or two years if I still wanted to get my degree froom U of M?</p>

<p>For anyone who I may have confused...MSU is Michigan State University, and U of M is University of Michigan. Although if you don't know that, you probably can't answer this post very well.</p>

<p>for an out of state first job, there will be a significant difference because most out of state employers all recruit at U of M and not MSU. 10 or 20 years after graduation it becomes less of an issue.</p>

<p>As a junior in Engineering at Michigan, I can tell you the program is pretty solid. We have most of North Campus to ourselves and there are a lot of smart people around to learn from. The facilities are great (Duderstandt library is wonderful to study in) and Ann Arbor is a wonderful college town. </p>

<p>I've been to the Engineering school at MSU and it can't really touch North Campus here. Obviously I'm biased.</p>

<p>There is a substantial amount of recruiting here. I don't know what major your interested in but most of the large recognized engineering companies came to our job fair (Apple, GM, Lockheed, etc.)</p>

<p>Bump ^</p>

<p>Thanks so much for the help muira and collegebound_guy! If anyone has any different perspectives to share or more info I'd appreciate it.</p>

<p>MSU grad here.</p>

<p>I don't know if this has changed since I was at MSU, but MSU had the largest placement services in the country as far as large schools. U-Michigan is a better engineering school and better overall academically, but State does pretty well due to their placement services. I would say pretty darn good considering State ranks #30 to #40 in most engineering/science programs except for nuclear physics (grad program is #2).</p>

<p>Well...maybe not the best anymore, because it would have been some horn-tooting (I know how State is), but still one of the best.....</p>

<p>Michigan</a> State University - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report</p>

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<p>Not that there is anything wrong with attending MSU, but you are shorting yourself if you get into Michigan Engineering and choose MSU. Michigan is more respected and will definitely open more out-of-state doors if that is what you are after.</p>

<p>Bump^ Anyone else?</p>

<p>msu has nothing on michigan its like the 5th best engineering school vs the 30th so yeah its self explanatory. U of M is an amazing college town and competitive school if u can then definitely go</p>

<p>Absurd to think that you can not get an OOS job if you go to MSU.
Collegebound- Where do you get this information from? Too much brainwashing going on in Michigan (As in... the State of..)</p>

<p>UM is a great school. MSU is also highly regarded OOS. OOS we don't have that UM v MSU thing going!!!!</p>

<p>Just saw a post by Collegebound... he is starting college this Fall. Beware of posts by students who appear to know it all.</p>

<p>Cait- Try to get some good advice from the schools and people in the field. Also, engineering is a tough major, the toughest in my opinion, and if you were WL at UM, you may be better off at MSU where you have a better chance of succeeding in this major. I did not want my own son going to a "reach" school for engineering as I believed it may have set him up for failure. He was accepted to all the schools he applied to and picked the best "fit" for him (status was not an issue for him) and he is doing incredibly well!</p>

<p>Good luck to you. You can go anywhere and be anything.</p>

<p>^I go to UMich, and while I wasn't wait listed, I was deferred (applied early, rejected for early and pushed into regular admissions, accepted for regular admission). My test scores were ~20th percentile for admitted students, my current UG GPA is ~80th to 85th percentile. I don't believe there is a strong correlation between how someone was admitted and what high school stats they had, and how they will perform.</p>

<p>crazed, engineering is going to be hard wherever you go, there is no such thing as a shortcut in engineering, going to an "easier" school to be "more" successful in engineering is pretty juvenile in thought.</p>

<p>Go to page 13
<a href="http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://career.engin.umich.edu/annualReport/Annual_Report0809.pdfEngineeringCareerResourceCenterAnnualReport2008-2009&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Nobody ever said MSU is a bad school. It is a good school with good standing among recruiters. But when out of state employers come looking for engineers in michigan, they are going to go straight to U of M because of the large numbers of well-qualified candidates there and because U of M is known for its good engineering school.</p>

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But when out of state employers come looking for engineers in michigan, they are going to go straight to U of M because of the large numbers of well-qualified candidates there and because U of M is known for its good engineering school.

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<p>Ummm....not if MSU has one of the better placement services in the country.</p>

<p>Yes, U of M is higher ranked but both schools will have candidates getting hired. Do not forget, MSU has the #1 nuclear physics program (graduate) in the USA, so any potential nuclear engineers/physicists from MSU will be looked at.</p>

<p>As I have mentioned 100 times on here, I was MATH major at MSU and still was hired into software engineering right out of undergrad. I am pretty sure some of the MSU CS and CompE majors would have been looked at possibly before me (if they were not already hired).</p>

<p>Collegebound:
Sadly, you are still stuck in the teenage mentality of knowing it all. Fortunately, you will grow out of this, if you are lucky. Hopefully your arrogance will fall by the wayside too or you will miss out on many friendships.</p>

<p>When you become an adult, no one cares where you went to school. My older son was Valedictorian of his Long Island High School class, with great stats, etc... Adults remark at how humble he is. He refused to apply to UM.</p>

<p>My remark about going to a reach or match school is based on likelihood of succeeding. I wanted to give my son the opportunity to continue in his major of choice without fear of being weeded out. If you read the VT site, as I did, and he was accepted, there was a lot about that. My son may have done well there, but it certainly made me fearful. I am glad to report he is doing incredibly well. This is not a "Shortcut" to "Success" in engineering, it was my thought (and I could be wrong) that he would succeed at a match school where he might struggle against the competition in a reach school.</p>

<p>I wish you well and hope you drop the attitude. Get back on this site once you graduate and are in the work force and can give relevant and accurate information.</p>

<p>This is kind of an old thread... they probably already chose their school.</p>

<p>" Do not forget, MSU has the #1 nuclear physics program (graduate) in the USA, so any potential nuclear engineers/physicists from MSU will be looked at."</p>

<p>Cool, why not tell us how awesome Anthropology at MSU is too? </p>

<p>But whatever, let's all shout irrelevant babble at collegebound_guy because we engineers (or engineering majors, whatever) love drama. Yay!</p>

<p>Has anyone actually had a good reason as to why he should go to MSU over UMich anyway? I don't see how any difference in placement services could seriously be outweighed by the difference in rank and reputation.</p>

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Has anyone actually had a good reason as to why he should go to MSU over UMich anyway? I don't see how any difference in placement services could seriously be outweighed by the difference in rank and reputation.

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<p>BECAUSE....and I am going to pull rank here with my YEARS in the industry</p>

<p>Many of you never-worked-in-the-industry types ACTUALLY think that "rank, reputation and alleged prestige" counts for MUCH more than it actually means when it comes to being hired. Many of you are going to be VERY shocked when you stroll into some big defense firm telling everyone about your prestigious school degree and the other engineers say (all in unison) "soooooooooooooooooo?.....here is the project plan and here is your due date."</p>

<p>^And... You still didn't give a reason why he should choose MSU over UMich. Great, make the claim that the difference between MSU and UMich is less than people act like. That seems to be all you're actually backing up though.</p>