<p>I was accepted both early action and early decision to NYU and U of M. I wasn’t stuck with NYU because of being placed into a different school than I applied to. Because of instate and being practical about having money for grad school later on I have enrolled to U of M- Ann Arbor in LSA to eventually major in Biochemistry. Is there any advice that can get me out of the dumps about not doing to my top choice school of NYU next fall? </p>
<p>NYU seriously isnt better, it is at best equal. If you wanted to go to Standford or Columbia instead, then I could underrstand</p>
<p>Even Columbia is not better in the sciences and premed tracks. NYU does not come close to Michigan. Spending $40k a year more to attend NYU makes no sense whatsoever. Other than Stern, NYU is simply not in the same league as Michigan.</p>
<p>You have to rescind your acceptance from Michigan because you did ED on NYU.</p>
<p>It’s absolutely false that NYU is not in the same league as Michigan. It is impossible to make broad generalizations like that. If anything NYU gets more competitive candidates b/c its a private school that doesn’t lower its standards for instate students. Yes Michigan is a great school but saying that NYU is not in the same league is just utterly false. You get a lot of opportunities at NYU (whether in Stern or not) simply by being located in the most happening city in the world. Advantage from location is a lot more important than most people realize it to be. NYU rose from virtually a no-name commuter school just only 20/30 years ago to the amazing & top-ranked school that it is today, and it is still on the rise. </p>
<p>Internationally NYU is one of the most recognized universities because its situated in NYC and its location adds to its academic value. </p>
<p>I’ve already proven in another thread that the admission statistics are very similar. While respected, NYU will always in Columbia’s shadow due to their proximity. The fact that NYU needs to be in NYC to have its students and academics be in the same tier as Michigan just proves how NYU itself that it would be much less if it were located 5 hours further away in upstate New York. </p>
<p>I wasn’t tied to going to NYU due to being placed in the engineering school and not general studies like I had applied to. </p>
<p>I’ve already proven in another thread that the admission statistics are very similar. While respected, NYU will always in Columbia’s shadow due to their proximity. The fact that NYU needs to be in NYC to have its students and academics be in the same tier as Michigan just proves how NYU itself that it would be much less if it were located 5 hours further away in upstate New York.</p>
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<p>Yes. </p>
<p>Here are some rankings that help explain further, using the national rankings. Both schools appear in different positions in their private/ public school listings, respectively ( UM is #4 public, and I am unsure of NYU’s rank on the list of schools in that cohort) </p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/new-york-university-2785”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/new-york-university-2785</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-9092”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-9092</a></p>
<p>I don’t suggest relying on just one source of rankings, but in the national university picture, the above links paint a very good picture of what both schools have to offer, and what the student body is like. </p>
<p>qwertyzxc, you are entitled to your opinion, but the facts do not bear this out. Michigan is stronger than NYU, particularly in the sciences… Naturally, NYU has its strengths. Stern is one of the top 5 undergraduate business programs in the nation and is certainly on par with Ross. NYU’s film school is the best in the nation. NYU is also stellar in the humanities and very strong in the Social Sciences. But Michigan’s science programs are all ranked much higher than NYU. It is not even close:</p>
<p>Biology:
Michigan #20 (tied with the likes of Columbia and UPenn)
NYU #56</p>
<p>Chemistry:
Michigan #16 (tied with Chicago, Princeton, UPenn and Yale)
NYU is not ranked in the top 50</p>
<p>Physics:
Michigan #11 (tied with Columbia and Yale)
NYU #40</p>
<p>Engineering:
Michigan #7
NYU (NYU Poly) not ranked among the top 50</p>
<p>Medicine:
Michigan #8 (tied with Chicago, Columbia, Duke and Yale)
NYU #21</p>
<p>Also, in terms in placement into top Medical Schools, Michigan edges out NYU by a ratio of better than 3:1:</p>
<p>JOHNS HOPKINS MEDICAL SCHOOL
Michigan alums currently enrolled 13
Princeton 12
UPenn 12
Columbia 10
Chicago 8
Northwestern 5
NYU 4</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf”>http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf</a> (pages 460-461)</p>
<p>WUSTL MEDICAL SCHOOL
Northwestern alums that have attended since 1998 46
Michigan 43
UPenn 37
Princeton 31
Chicago 18
NYU 14
Columbia 13</p>
<p><a href=“http://medadmissions.wustl.edu/HowtoApply/selectionprocess/Pages/WhoChoosesWU.aspx”>http://medadmissions.wustl.edu/HowtoApply/selectionprocess/Pages/WhoChoosesWU.aspx</a></p>
<p>MICHIGAN MEDICAL SCHOOL
Michigan alums currently enrolled 210
UPenn 14
Chicago 8
Columbia 8
NYU 8
Northwestern 8
Princeton 8</p>
<p><a href=“http://medicine.umich.edu/medschool/education/md-program/people-places/class-profiles”>http://medicine.umich.edu/medschool/education/md-program/people-places/class-profiles</a></p>
<p>Overall, Michigan’s reputation is also stronger than NYU’s. Regardless of the source, Michigan will generally have a stronger reputational score. Most notably, the US News Peer Assessment score assigns Michigan a rating of 4.5 (tied with the likes of Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Northwestern and UPenn). NYU’s Peer Assessment score is 3.8, which is significantly lower. Even international rankings like the Times, ARWU and QS all rank Michigan well ahead of NYU. Most of the international attention NYU gets is thanks to its location. Naturally, most international students dream of living in California or NYC.</p>
<p>Michigan’s endowment stands at $8.4 billion (not including the $300 million is annual state appropriations), compared to NYU’s $2.9 billion. Considering the fact that both schools have approximately 40,000 students, Michigan is in considerably better financial shape than NYU.</p>
<p>I personally do not think selectivity is an important criteria in determining the quality of a university, but even if it were, Michigan and NYU are roughly the same (similar class profiles when it comes to class rankings, GPA, standardized test scores etc…).</p>
<p>Like I said, for a Michigan resident, it is not worth choosing NYU over Michigan when it would cost $40k more on an annual basis. It is simply not justifiable. </p>
<p>“You have to rescind your acceptance from Michigan because you did ED on NYU.”</p>
<p>Not in this case Bouncer. The OP has explained that he was rejected by the specific NYU college he applied to ED. As such, he is not bound to the alternate college at NYU that admitted him. </p>
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It’s not even just rankings.
A comparison of their incoming class average GPA, Test scores, acceptance rate, yield rate, 4 and 6 year graduation rates, and other factors will be very similar.</p>
<p>Really futile to deny being in the same tier</p>
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<p>No question Michigan and NYU draw similarly credentialed students: their middle 50% ACT scores are identical (28-32), NYU has a very slight edge in middle 50% SAT CR scores (+10 points) while Michigan has a slightly larger edge in middle 50% SAT M scores (+20 points). There’s a bigger difference in HS GPAs: Michigan has an average of 3.8 with a middle 50% of 3.7-3.9, while NYU has an average of 3.6 with a middle 50% of 3.4-3.8. That’s a non-trivial difference, but it may be partly explained by the fact that Michigan has always placed greater weight on HS GPA than on standardized test scores. Overall, though, I’d say Michigan is getting a somewhat stronger entering class.</p>
<p>Graduation rates are not that close. NYU has a 6-year graduation rate of 86%; Michigan’s is 91%. This is a non-trivial difference. Michigan’s graduation rate is similar to that of Chicago (92%), Caltech (92%), Vanderbilt (92%), Rice (92%), UCLA (92%),Tufts (92%), UC Berkeley (91%), USC (90%), and Brandeis (90%). In comparison, NYU’s 6-year graduation rate is similar to that of Penn State (86%), UCSD (86%), UC Davis (85%), U Rochester (85%), and Florida (85%). Whether or not that counts as a different “tier,” there’s no question Michigan keeps company with a better class of schools on that metric.</p>
<p>On faculty strength it’s not at all close. Stern and Ross are both top-of-the-line business programs. Michigan blows NYU out of the water in engineering. As Alexandre has pointed out, NYU is quite weak across the board in basic sciences, while Michigan is top 20 or top 25 in most. In the humanities, NYU can match or exceed Michigan in philosophy and art history; beyond that, I’d be hard pressed to name a single field where NYU is Michigan’s equal. And in the social sciences Michigan dominates with top 5 or top 10 programs in every major discipline, while NYU is an also-ran in many (except in economics where they’re pretty close, and both very good). Pound for pound, I’d take Michigan’s faculty over NYU’s any day of the week. </p>
<p>And Michigan’s faculty is cheaper. A lot of what props up NYU in the US News rankings is that they compensate their faculty handsomely, which they need to do given their pricey location–the average full professor at NYU makes about $40K per year more than the average full professor at Michigan, even though the Michigan professor probably lives as well or better in Ann Arbor on that lower salary due to differences in the cost of living. Those cost-of-living factors don’t seem to figure into the US News equation, so high-cost schools in high-cost locations tend to be rewarded in the rankings for their high costs.</p>
<p>Also, with the vast difference in cost, i’m sure you can say “you didn’t give enough aid” and be let off from the ED and go to Umich no problems.</p>
<p>IMO, cost is crucial with two similar universities. In this case, UMich is probably better in most areas (except those mentioned above like film etc. ) so it’s really a no brainer</p>
<p>“US News Peer Assessment score assigns Michigan a rating of 4.5 (tied with the likes of Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Northwestern and UPenn). NYU’s Peer Assessment score is 3.8, which is significantly lower.”</p>
<p>Academicians know who are peers of Michigan and who are not. Time and again too many here on CC do not give Michigan its due when it comes to academics. </p>
<p>Just to correct one point that bclintonk made, the middle 50% of unweighted GPA’s at Michigan is 3.7-4.0 not 3.7-3.9. The average unweighted matriculated freshman GPA at Michigan is 3.83. The average unweighted GPA at NYU is a 3.61. As far as GPA’s go, that’s a monstrous difference. </p>
<p>“Is there any advice that can get me out of the dumps about not doing to my top choice school of NYU next fall?”</p>
<p>Still feeling unsure manduhhh20? </p>
<p>All of lower Manhattan? </p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>The point is- right now, at this moment in time, the numbers show the UM is ahead of NYU.</p>
<p>When NYU gets done buying Manhattan and accomplishes all the goals it may have, then it will be a different discussion. </p>
<p>However, the OP will be going to school in the year 2014, not the unspecified future. 
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<p>Oh my goodness! </p>
<p>This is two threads where you are trying to start fights over nothing. You should probably try and figure out why you are so angry and posting as such to strangers on an Internet board for a community supportive of your chosen school. </p>
<p>No one is “trashing” NYU. The OP was disappointed by not being able to go to NYU ( you did catch that, right? ), so those of us that are posting positively are using the current facts to bolster his spirits. </p>
<p>Relax. UM just beat beat MSU. It’s a nice day. </p>
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NYU students have on average lower GPAs than Michigan since they have a greater proportion of students who attended a selective private high school or boarding school where the competition is stiffer than the public schools of the state of Michigan (where UMich draws more than half of its students). Students at places like Exeter and Andover who are not in the top 20% go to NYU when they get rejected from the Ivies and other peer schools.</p>
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How does this apply to undergrad education exactly? Being a professor by in itself is an impressive accomplishment and makes you more than qualified to teach a bunch of undergraduates in intro courses. NYU has a better law school and MBA program than Michigan. Their school of Theater and Music is also top notch.</p>
<p>NYU and Michigan are peer schools at the undergraduate level since they attract students of a similar caliber. Michigan appears to have the edge in graduate disciplines where interacting with the best professors in a field is of upmost importance for PhD students who need to produce an original dissertation in the field.</p>
<p>Admission to medical school will depend one how well one does on the MCATs and GPA, not on the reputation of the undergraduate institution. Neither school is worth going into debt over.</p>
<p>East Village kid here:</p>
<p>Despite Michigan’s public schools being “in a shambles”, their students are still outpacing NYU students according to standardized test scores despite the NYU constituency being from “a pretty affluent profile”, like the Bronx and Staten Island. NYU will easily surpass Michigan Ann Arbor in 3 years, since, apparently, blueblood is now Nostradamus.</p>
<p>As for this statement: “NYU students have on average lower GPAs than Michigan since they have a greater proportion of students who attended a selective private high school or boarding school where the competition is stiffer than the public schools of the state of Michigan.” Best of luck proving that. </p>
<p>The CDS standardized scores speak for themselves. If this is the best you can do, then it must be the NYU.</p>