<p>What is really ironic is how many people keep insisting that “It’s a Woman’s Right”. Well, if that is an argument; which can most definitely be argued; then holding the “Man” as responsible, even partially, for her pregnancy can not be used. If it can be used, then he has a “Right” to say whether she has an abortion or not. </p>
<p>Many woman’s groups regard the right to abortion as fundamental to women’s liberation from male oppression. If so, then the woman has the “Right” to NOT have sex. The “Right” to use birth control. The “Right” to NOT use birth control. The “Right” to insist that the man USE birth control. If she chooses NOT to use birth control and to NOT INSIST that the man use birth control, then she CAN’T hold the man responsible. Not if she wants to maintain he “Right” to choose and to have liberation from male oppression. If she INSISTS he use a condom, and he doesn’t, then she just has to say no to having sex. If he forces her, it’s called rape.</p>
<p>Also, if Feminists regard the right to abortion as fundamental to women’s liberation from male oppression, then what about the fact that probably HALF of the abortions are to FEMALE fetus’/babies. Aren’t they taking away the choice to female that they are arguing that they are trying to protect?</p>
<p>I’m a strong supporter of Feminists for Life, who educate women about contraception as well as providing resources for pregnant women, fighting to get day care facilities in colleges, etc. They are the only pro-life organization I know of that is NOT religious and does not try to convert women, and very much promotes contraception and empowerment of women.</p>
<p>No, I don’t think it is worse than killing a child. But bringing a fetus to term, knowing that you will give it away and deprive it of a loving relationship with its biological parents, is a terrible tragedy.</p>
<p>yes babies- but meanwhile we have kids on the streets and in foster care.</p>
<p>I can understand the frustration with women who use abortion ( or any medical care that is designed for emergencies- like the emergency room), as routine care.</p>
<p>But I come back to two points that resonate with me.
I do not think that it is the role of voters to decide what kind of legal medical care a licensed physician prescribes for their patient.
That should be between the provider and the patient.</p>
<p>I also do not think, that just because a small segment of society abuses a privledge, that it should be banned. It needs to be controlled more perhaps- I don’t believe in late term abortions & I don’t believe in repeat abortions, however I also think Plan B should be available.
But I also do not think that women who are ignorant enough to use abortion as the form of their main birth control, not just emergency back up, should be having kids.
I don’t think we can afford them in the gene pool.</p>
<p>Say all you want just keep out of my and my physicians business. Bring on the democratic president who will appoint back judges to maintain Roe V.Wade and support contraception.</p>
<p>It is not a child-it is a mass of cells not a human being</p>
<p>yes, my Ds were both masses of cells for a long time- and the abortion I had was also a mass of cells with no “life”</p>
<p>and there are no waiting lists to adopt older children- focus should be spent THERE- getting those older kids into good homes, rather than taking away my Ds MEDICAL choices</p>
<p>“I’m a strong supporter of Feminists for Life, who educate women about contraception”</p>
<p>Really? According to their web site:</p>
<p>“Preconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission. Some FFL members and supporters support the use of non-abortifacient contraception while others oppose contraception for a variety of reasons. FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.”</p>
<p>So I’m still waiting to hear from swatparent (and you, since you seemed interested in answering the question) what you’re doing to promote the understanding and availability of birth control.</p>
<p>No it’s not. Each woman needs to make her own determination in this case, and each doctor needs to be able to provide information and counsel to the woman, no matter what you or anyone else think. Full stop.</p>
<p>Wow, Hanna, I’ve been a supporter of FFL for 10+ years and I had never seen that before. I feel disappointed, surprised and chagrined. I’m certain that I’ve read about their outreach programs promoting contraception at the colleges, in years past. I’m wondering now whether they’ve changed their mission/policy in recent years, or whether I made some erroneous assumptions. I intend to email them and ask them about this.</p>
<p>This doesn’t change my appreciation for the work they do with pregnant women, but I feel very let down that they’re not doing the most important thing: promoting contraception. Is there NO organization that is pro-life but also pro-contraception???</p>
<p>I get disputed every day by tougher folks including my wife. Just because I disagree with some opinions does not make me believe I have any power over you or your opinion. Even when you are wrong. ;-)</p>
<p>This is the kind of thinking that really bothers me. Since I believe in reincarnation, I happen to believe the incarnating soul will just incarnate someplace else, or at a later time. Some people use a belief in reincarnation to justify their belief that abortion is ok, but to me, that would be like justifying murder of an adult just because s/he can just reincanate; NOT ok.</p>
<p>I actually have a friend who got forced into an abortion by her callous husband and said “I saw pieces of my baby on the table. No woman should ever have to go thru that.” </p>
<p>She is now a staunch advocate for abortion ‘rights’ but is also a staunch advocate for contraception and avoiding abortion. She considers it very ugly and not without karmic repercussions (since she believes in reincarnation too). </p>
<p>But she acknowledges that what got destroyed was no mere ‘mass of cells.’</p>
<p>You know, the fact is so many people do things that aren’t “the best” Karmically, if that is even true of abortion (and I am not in the position to know whether it is or isn’t) without any intervention from others. Parents and teachers destroy the psychic well-being of their students all the time, sometimes beyond repair. Political figures destroy countries.</p>
<p>We all have to answer, in some way, for everything we do. </p>
<p>I don’t object to people voicing their opinions, but I do object to laws trying to enforce those opinions.</p>
<p>If a parent cannot be compelled to donate a kidney to a child, and he can’t, I cannot see the rationale of forcing a woman to donate her uterus and body to a child.</p>
<p>However, I really doubt if anyone is going to change her/his position on the this board, and these debates have been swirling since 1973.</p>
<p>I repeat my previous point: those who try to restrict access to abortion are only penalizing poor women.</p>
<p>And, if the movement toward intolerance keeps going the way it is, and states are once again allowed to fully legislate in the procreative area, where are all the women who will be murders when they self-abort (or pay a hack to abort) be incarcerated? </p>
<p>Are all the moralists going to be willing to pay for MORE prisons for these women or are they going to let some of the 3 million already in jail out to make room for these women?</p>
<p>Hey, I’m from Texas. We EXECUTE women. We’ll probably make the woman who aborts subject to the death penalty. That’ll show them.</p>
<p>“I don’t object to people voicing their opinions, but I do object to laws trying to… If a parent cannot be compelled to donate a kidney to a child, and he can’t, I cannot see the rationale of forcing a woman to donate her uterus and body to a child.”</p>
<p>The heart of the argument is some see a fundamental difference bwteen a kidney and an unborn baby. That is a moral judgement we can argue till the end of time. However, all laws are based on similar moral judgements. Laws against theft and murder also appear to penalize poor people more but we have no problem with that.</p>