UArts Off-Campus Housing, pros and cons

<p>Would like to find out more about the off-campus residential life at UArts. If I understand correctly, most non-freshmen live off campus, and there is very limited availibility in the dorms. I’ll throw a few questions out there if you can answer some or all.</p>

<li><p>What is the typical distance, or range, that UArts students live from UArts?</p></li>
<li><p>Are there apartments where many UArts students tend to congregate, or is everyone spread out all over?</p></li>
<li><p>How would you compare the level of security in the typical off-campus apartment to the dorms? </p></li>
<li><p>Can you compare the overall safety of on-campus to off-campus living?</p></li>
<li><p>Do most upper classmen prefer to live off campus (regardless of dorm availibity) and why?</p></li>
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<p>Any other thoughts, comments, etc. about off-campus living would be very helpful. Thanks!!!</p>

<p>I was driving around and I saw alot of apartments within a 5 min walk of the campus.</p>

<p>I meant to also ask if the van escort service is available to nearby off-campus students or only the dorms. </p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>MT577, I’ll try to answer your questions. Putting aside the limitations on available housing and the lottery system, most upper classmen prefer to live in private housing to a) have the independence of their “own” place, b) the privacy of their own bedroom, c) the freedom to live without the constraints of dorm rules and regulations, d) the ability to have more spacious accommodations or any combination of the above. Or at least so sayeth my D and her friends.</p>

<p>UArts students live in a broad range of locales in relation to the campus, from 6 blocks north of the Terra Building to quite some distance down in South Philly going north to south and from 8th Street over to 20th going east to west. Most UArts students who live in private housing are probably concentrated from 10th St over to 18th and from Walnut down to South St. In a nutshell, what usually drives location is budget, with prices going up compared to the size of the housing as you move in towards the center of campus near Broad and Locust Streets. (There are exceptions for certain neighborhoods which while a bit more distant than others command a premium because they are in great demand for reasons that have no relevance to college students.)</p>

<p>In considering off campus housing, proximity to campus and cost are probably the 2 most important criteria. Proximity to campus is of particular importance for College of Performing Arts students because of the late night schedules for show rehearsals and performances. This relates directly to ease and safety of commuting to and from campus. Most UArts students and particularly performing arts students want to live as close to campus as their budget will permit so that they can commute by walking. The school does have a shuttle van escort service that operates at night that covers about an 8 - 10 block radius from Broad and Walnut Sts. The exact geographic coverage of the service is available on UArts website. Students I know who have used the service state that the waits for pick up can be long at times and the travel time can be long depending on the utilization at a particular time, but it is available and does provide a safe and free option to walking or taking a cab at night.</p>

<p>Based on proximity to campus and safety considerations for walking at night, I would focus a search for housing to the area covered from 10th St over to 18th and Walnut down to Pine. There is an abundance of housing available in this area consisting of high rises and Brownstones (converted row house built from, yes, brown stones). Most of the housing consists of efficiencies/studios, 1 and 2 bedrooms although there are some 3 bedrooms available. Prices range from $600 - $1000 for efficiencies/studios, $800 - $1500 for 1 bedrooms, $1400 - $2500 for 2 bedrooms and $1800 and up for 3 bedrooms in this area, depending on whether it is a Brownstone or a high rise and whether it is east or west of Broad St. As a general rule, Brownstones are located on both sides of Broad, there are more high rises west of Broad than east, and prices west of Broad will be higher and the properties in better condition unless it is a newly renovated property east of Broad (and there are many of them).</p>

<p>In terms of safety, the area I have recommended is generally safe. Walking during hours of light is never an issue. At night, particularly as you approach 11 pm and later, as you move outward towards the periphery of the area I have recommended, while these are not inherently dangerous “high crime areas” of particular risk, foot traffic tapers off and there can be crimes of opportunity. Common sense should prevail and students should not walk alone late at night. It’s more of a question of which streets have ongoing commercial activity (theatre, restaurants, bars, clubs etc) as the night hours wear on thereby keeping people out and about and which streets become quieter and emptier residential streets where a lone person walking is more isolated. Basic city smarts should dictate which streets are traversed at night if walking to the outer peripheries of the area I have described.</p>

<p>In terms of building security, many Brownstones require an access code to gain entrance, some only a key. Many have intercom systems to buzz visitors in, some don’t. Virtually all high rises have access codes at a minimum. The best have doormen, front desk personnel or night desk security to control access. It really can vary from building to building.</p>

<p>In terms of timing for finding a place, virtually all housing is based on leases that require 90 notice of termination. What this means is that most management companies and landlords can not tell you with certainty what will be available more than 90 days prior to your move in date. Most housing requires a 12 month lease and while some is available based on a school year term, you will pay a real premium for that. To start the process, I would have your student take a weekend afternoon and literally walk every block in the area I have recommended. All of the rental buildings have conspicuous signs. I would make a list of all the management companies, get a feel for the location of the buildings and then make calls to get general info on the type of units available, pricing, whether utilities are included and if not what they average. I would then go an google search for reviews of the management companies and buildings that have specific names. There is a lot of consumer info available online. This process should help you narrow potential locations and then 90 days from your intended move in date, the serious looking can begin.</p>

<p>Hope this is helpful.</p>

<p>MichaelNKat - thank you so much for taking the time to describe in great detail the off-campus housing at UArts. You are so helpful to all of us looking for the “unofficial” guide to UArts, and of course you are a great advocate for the school. D feels she did her best at her audition/call back last Saturday, had a great time with the people she met, and we’ll see what happens!</p>

<p>Dido MT577!</p>

<p>MichaelNKat you are so full of detailed information. I actually look forward to your replies/postings!</p>

<p>But MichaelNKat, I do have one question: Why on earth are you up at 3:43 AM?!!! :o</p>

<p>The hours before sunrise are a very peaceful and quiet time :wink: .</p>

<p>Yes, I’m well aware of that! Great meditation time!</p>

<p>How soon should my daughter be looking for an apartment since she didn’t get into the lottery. She will be coming home for the summer so ideally we wouldn’t want to start paying rent until August. I assume many other students will be feeling the same way so can anyone give me some advice on timing. My D’s got a lot of anxiety over the process so I would like to be able to reassure her on how to go about the hunt. Thanks.</p>

<p>Now’s the time to start a preliminary search and start talking to management companies, rental agents etc to get a sense of what’s around in the size, price range and location that you want. April and May is the time to get serious and try to pin down a specific place for an August start date. Most rental agents will not sign a lease with you more than 90 days in advance because they don’t know what units are going to be available (most leases require 90 days notice of termination) and if a unit is subject to notice of termination, they want to fill it as fast as possible and not let it sit vacant but subject to a new lease starting more than 90 days from the date of execution. From April to June is the “busy season” for rentals starting July August and September with April and May being the highest activity months because of the movement in and out of students. See my post #4. There is no reason to panic. There is a ton of rental housing. Most students who get into a jam do so because a) they can’t pin down the roommate situation and therefore can’t figure out what size and price meet their needs so they delay the process, b) spin their wheels in the search process because they rely too much on craigslist and the like without getting out and doing the physical leg work or c) they procrastinate. Even then, I know students who waited until June or July to find apartments for August but I would strongly recommend against waiting that long. At that point, the pickings are slim within a reasonable distance to campus. As I have previously recommended, nothing beats getting out now and simply taking a couple of hours to walk every block in the area I recommended in post #4 (10th St over to 18th and Walnut down to Pine), writing down the names of buildings, locations and phone numbers from the signs hanging on them and even stopping in to talk with the onsite management companies for the high rises that have onsite rental agents. Then spend an hour calling the others. The time invested will enable a student to focus their search very concretely and then know with certainty when they should check back to pin down actual availability for August and how far in advance the rental agent is willing to sign a lease.</p>

<p>For those who are interested in living on campus, MichaelNKat, could you give your $0.02 on the different on-campus housing options?</p>

<p>The dorms are Spruce (between 12th and 13th on Spruce), Pine (at 15th and Pine), Furness (between broad and 15th on Pine) and Juniper (between Spruce and Pine on Juniper). There is a description of all the dorms on UArts website. Of all of them, the nicest, most modern and only air conditioned one is Juniper. It is generally for upper classmen only.</p>

<p>I have never been in Pine’s dorms. It is generally a safe area but late at night I would not recommend walking south on 15th St to get there. The stretch from Locust to Pine on 15th can feel very isolated late at night particularly from Spruce to Pine. I would recommend students walk at night down Broad St and then west on Pine.</p>

<p>Furness has the greatest number of large suites. From what I hear, students either love it or hate it. The apartments are the most spacious of all the dorms. Laundry facilities are in the basement however. Some students have complained about roaches and rodents but the school tries to stay on top of this.</p>

<p>Spruce is, in my view, in the best location. It’s the closest to the Terra Building and is in an area where there is a ton of foot traffic at night because of all the surrounding restaurants, shops, cafes etc. Of the dorms, I think that it is probably the safest for walking to at night, which is not to say the others are unsafe, Spruce is just in area that has the most night time activity (next would come Furness which is just off of Broad St.) Most of the apartments are studios with a walk in closet off of which is the bath room. My daughter lived in Spruce. It was a bit cramped for 2 but livable. There is a lot of social life going on in Spruce’s neighborhood which also makes it an appealing location.</p>

<p>A few quick questions (as my acceptance letter is en route- got the call yesterday).</p>

<p>I’m a transfer (currently a college sophomore). Do you know if age/grade is taken into consideration when doing housing placements? I mean no disrespect to the incoming freshman, but I’d prefer to live with someone closer to my own age and maturity level. Ideally, I’d hope to be housed in the upperclassmen dorms, but I do know the likelihood of this is slim, as I will be technically considered a freshman/first year student.</p>

<p>As for off-campus, are there any particular rental agencies or buildings that UArts recommends or are frequented by students? I’ve looked up quite a few nearby online and I’m hoping to visit Philly again before the semester is over, but any additional information you know of would be a great help to my parents and I. They’re pretty nervous about the prospect of me moving down there by myself, let alone living in off-campus housing.</p>

<p>Congratulations on your acceptance!</p>

<p>The only dorm to my knowledge that is considered an “upperclassman” dorm is Juniper. To the extent that upperclassmen get into the other dorms through the lottery system, there is no particular dorm that I am aware of to which they are assigned. When you fill out your housing forms, you can prioritize which dorms you want and the type of living arrangements (single, of which there are very few, studio, 1 bedroom or suite). You can also list roommate preferences and your criteria for a good match. I would suggest that you call the office of Residential Life at 215-717-6811 to discuss your specific concerns about dorm assignments to get more information.</p>

<p>As to off campus housing, again the office of Residential Life can provide you with some information. I never used their services so I can’t comment on the scope of services they provide to assist students in finding off campus housing but it’s worth giving them a call. </p>

<p>When I was assisting my daughter with her search, we initially did the kind of walking tour I described in my earlier posts. After speaking to several rental agents and visiting several buildings, we ended up focusing on apartments in high rise buildings for a variety of reasons, including security features such as a staffed front desk at night. There are high rises on both sides of Broad St but most are west of Broad. Generally, the high rises offer 1 and 2 bedroom units but if memory serves me right there may be some studios in high rises east of Broad St. </p>

<p>As to specific off campus housing, the only specific recommendations that I could give you at this point are for high rises. I just don’t remember the names of the rental/management companies of the Brownstones that we spoke to or met with. If you are interested in specific recommendations for high rises, send me a PM and I will be happy to share whatever info I have. Because my office is in center city philadelphia, I am also familiar with the various neighborhoods in which student housing is found and can answer questions about specific locations.</p>