<p>I don’t plan on moving out of California anytime soon, but how will my Berkeley degree be viewed in the East and Midwest? </p>
<p>Do people stick up their noses at Berkeley outside of California, or is there more widespread national prestige? (not that prestige is my MAIN driving factor in choosing to go to Berkeley)</p>
<p>It’s only on CC where Berkeley is not viewed as a highly respected school in the East Coast. In fact, top employers in WS, NY scout talents at Berkeley every year. For example, McKinsey recruited 23 Berkeley grads just last year alone. And I heard McKinsey recruited only 14 grads from Stanford on the same year (though I can’t confirm that.)</p>
<p>RML, thanks for the info on Stanford and Berkeley</p>
<p>any change you can tell us what the size of each graduating class of each school is when you compare numbers like the McKinsey hiring?</p>
<p>McKinsey recruited from Haas, Econ and Engineering from Berkeley. I have no knowledge about the Stanford thing. But we all know that Stanford is a great school, and being one of the top 5 in America would make it a great school for any school to benchmark itself against it. </p>
<p>The point is, a Berkeley degree won’t put you in disadvantage like what some anti-Berkeley on this board assume. Does McKinsey recruit talents at Pomona and McKenna? I don’t know. I guess no one from McKenna got into McKinsey last year. But if you’d come to this board and read comments on here, it would appear that Berkeley is a depressing school to go to and graduating from there would be doomed to failure. lol </p>
<p>Even Silver Lake recruit talents at Berkeley. Silver Lake recruits talents from a selected pool of schools. [Silver</a> Lake](<a href=“http://silverlake.com/content.php?page=team&sortBy=title&sortDir=asc]Silver”>http://silverlake.com/content.php?page=team&sortBy=title&sortDir=asc)</p>
<p>My Berkeley degree (and GPA/MCATS) got me in to the top medical schools, on the East Coast. In fact, my GPA was commented upon–because of Cal’s grade deflation–during more than one medical school interview. </p>
<p>As well, it wasn’t just the academic rigor of Cal, which was reknown, of course, but several of the med school admissions’ interviewers seemed to think we were such interesting creatures, coming from Berkeley.</p>
<p>So, yes, a lot of cache, but, even better, it’s a wonderful school in a very exciting and beautiful area.</p>
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I heard that 36 CMC students were recruited by McKinsey last year. I can’t confirm it, though.</p>
<p>(Hey, why not? Let’s all join in and make up numbers. 67 for Duke!)</p>
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People will point and laugh at you, obviously.</p>
<p>Don’t you know that not a single one of the 432,000 living Berkeley alumni has ever gotten a job in the East or Midwest? EVER?</p>
<p>^ The Berkeley data are available on FB. And, it wasn’t even complete yet. So, I guess the number would still be higher. </p>
<p>As for Silver Lake, I believe the link is there.</p>
<p>RML might point was that when you post comparisons to other schools you should point out that one of the schools graduates about 4-5 times more students than the other, or have your data showing a per student format.</p>
<p>^^^So what? Berkeley, along with other top publics, also graduates students in many more disciplines and programs than most smaller schools as well. There are also many larger schools than Berkeley that don’t get it’s results either in the workplace. UCB is indeed one of the the very top schools in this country!</p>
<p>JohnAdams12, that’s where I will have to politely disagree with. </p>
<p>There are limited slots available at those big-time companies whilst there are always over a thousand qualified candidates out there. As much as those prestigious schools would produce highly qualified candidates in big numbers every year, only a handful of them would get the job, and those who get it aren’t always the best graduates. Another reason is that, not everyone in the same university apply to the same company. For example, not every one at Berkeley would apply at Silver Lake. Only a handful from Berkeley, mostly only from Haas and Econ would apply to such company. Things may be different at small liberal-type of schools such as Dartmouth or Williams, but at schools like Berkeley, UCLA, UVa or UMich, things do run on per department basis.That’s the orientation at most large schools. And then, of course, some notably prestigious schools don’t even apply to Silver Lake. Or, some famous schools like Harvard or Yale have very few applicants to such companies. But then again, my point is only that a Berkeley degree would not put you at disadvantage in applying to some big name companies in the East Coast. It is a highly respectable degree by the sight of those people who matter the most.</p>
<p>RML is correct, a Berkeley degree does not put you at any disadvantage in applying to some big name companies in the east. It is a highly respectable degree. It will likely be less known by the average joe on the street, however, and the “star power” of Berkeley is still highest in California. Which is the same for basically every other university with the exception of HYP, where “star power” is strongest in its home area.</p>
<p>Notre Dame’s star power is probably greater in Chicago and the Northeast than in Indiana.</p>
<p>^ Well, ND is in Indiana and Berkeley is in CALIFORNIA. How many “star power” schools are there in Indiana? And, is ND a more “star power” school in the East Coast than Berkeley is?</p>
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<p>Actually, the star power of Berkeley is highest overseas, far away from its home area. Just ask RML!</p>
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<p>For many people in the East, esp Catholics and esp those who are aware of sports, yes, ND will have more star power than Berkeley. So be it, RML. You seem very, very upset at the mere thought that there are people in the United States somewhere who don’t automatically bow down to the floor at the mention of Berkeley. I know people everyone don’t bow down to my alma mater; so what? It’s gotten me everywhere I’ve wanted to go, and a Berkeley degree will get anyone else where they want to go.</p>
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<p>OH, I would not argue with this. I think it’s primarily because of two reasons:</p>
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<li><p>Berkeley is just as selective as those super-selective schools for overseas applicants for many years running now. For international applicants, it’s relatively easier to get into the lower ivies or schools like Duke or Chicago than Berkeley. And oftentimes, selective schools are presumed to be highly prestigious schools.</p></li>
<li><p>Berkeley often does extremely well on international league tables - consistently within the top 10 in the world. When an international ranking game ranks Berkeley (or HYPSM, Stanford, Caltech) outside of the top 10, the publisher losses a certain amount of credibility. </p></li>
<li><p>The majority of overseas students doing research about US schools are those grad and post grad students combined. And oftentimes, these students look at subject table rather than overall undergraduate ranking. Berkeley performs extremely well when assessed on per department basis. 35 out of 36 subjects assessed at Berkeley were all in the top 10. Berkeley also has a top 10 law school and medical school. </p></li>
<li><p>Many Berkeley alumni abroad are rich and highly influential. Many have occupied / or are occupying high or very important post in large companies or government. For example, the Chief Justice of the Philippines is a Berkeley alumnus. the eldest son of the president of the Philippines went to Haas. The Chief post of Indonesia’s education department is a Berkeley alumnus. One of the multi-millionaires that controls the huge tobacco industry in HK and China is a Berkeley alumnus. I could go on and on and I would just bore you to death.</p></li>
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<p>A friend (East Coast) says it was no advantage to him getting his job, but in general, he does think they’re “more impressed by it than they probably should be.” He didn’t think his classmates were so brilliant, but he had some good professors.</p>
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<p>No offense meant, madam, but you don’t fail to amuse me with your never-ending judgmental posts. lol
I may have a little bias towards Berkeley, but I’m not delusional. For example, generally speaking, HYPSM >> Berkeley. And, I’m not crazy to argue with that.</p>
<p>in terms of international prestige, only HSM (maybe Y & P) are on par with Berkeley. Outside America, nobody cares about the undergraduate education in America. global reputation = the reputation of grad school. </p>
<p>And the funnest thing I’ve ever seen, except the dumbest QS or Times ranking, is the US News selectivity rankings. if the score of standard test is the most important indicator of selectivity, the Asia universities can simply dominate the top 30 universities in the world. In China, we regard the SAT math subject test as a good practice for grade 8 kids. Just take a look at the university entrance exam in China, you guys will be scared. </p>
<p>The America education is superior in the world, because of its diversification! American universities have the best education resource which enable them to evaluate the applicants from different perspectives, not solely on the test scores. Do not let such stupid ranking fool you! the only thing US news can do is bringing everything back to the stone age.</p>
<p>“Outside America, nobody cares about the undergraduate education in America. global reputation = the reputation of grad school.”</p>
<p>I have said this same thing at least 10 times here on CC!</p>