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<p>aji1234 ,</p>

<p>If I’ve got my history right, the very concept of schools (not the vocational type) and the sciences was born from philosophy. If I remember correctly the word academics stems from the Aristotles “Academy” which was a school for those who studied under him. Even the Hippocratic oath every medical professional praises, not to mention the development of the abstract concept of giving an oath in the first place, thats all philosophy.</p>

<p>Anyway, I liked it when you said this because it’s so true, “I see that the philosophy seems to both rely on the sciences for validation and discredits them in the same breath.” But can’t that be said of all sciences. Isn’t it the dream of every astronomer to say that Einstein was wrong and the world works like this or that. Or a political scientist to predict the next world trends against a sea of opposition.</p>

<p>There is a reason it’s called a Ph.D.</p>

<p>So back to real life. </p>

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<p>I’m not to keen on the science of agriculture but I don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. But I get what your saying, it’s hard to imagine making money off of studying philosophy. But it does affect our society every day and people go on without even knowing. Look at how ethics (a field of philosophy, though I would be willing to say that all academics are a field of philosophy) have changed over the last 50 years. Or the change in the style of government over the last 500.</p>

<p>But back to making money, thats why I applied to the legal studies major. Well not to make money per se, but to do something I enjoy and make a living out of it. Logic and rhetoric are big right now in philosophy.</p>

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<p>Thats simple for me, I think that way whether I realize it or not. Most people do. Philosophy comes naturally, I think.</p>

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<p>BTW, I think gabe is kind of upset about the connotations people get about the study (I think anyone in the Bio field would get upset if I started saying Creationism is legitimate science) and the people learning what it’s all about (like me) perpetuating…how do I say this nicely…misinformation. I agree. I need to be kept on my toes because, god forbid, if I decide to take a upper level course in the stuff and start sounding stupid as soon as I walk in.</p>

<p>Wow, long post. Alright I’m done. If anyone wants a fight (and by fight I mean a good philosophical dicussion, please if you know me don’t hit me [because if you really know who I am, you know I could devastate you in any contest of strength]) maybe we should start a thread in the more appropriate off-topic section.</p>

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<p>hey Matt30…will you go shirtless?</p>

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<p>In a heartbeat.</p>

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<p>POW!</p>

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<p>I have a simple question: How can professional discussions about philosophical issues ever exist if there are no amatuer philosophical discussions? Isn’t honing your wits and arguments, say, the whole point of a college caeer? (Unless you’re a future president … then college is apparently a time to hone your appetites for secretive fraternities, loose women, and various illicit substances. That and developing an inconsistent life ethic and/or marrying a masculine yet brilliant female law student.)</p>

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<p>Here’s mine:</p>

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<p>KudosMyHero counted to infinity - twice.</p>

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<p>Tallkell which college do you go to. goodluck on westwood.</p>

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<p>“Unless you’re a future president … then college is apparently a time to hone your appetites for secretive fraternities, loose women, and various illicit substances.”</p>

<p>AMEN!..wait…you didn’t include loose men…did I just say “loose men”?</p>

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<p>Aji1234: “goodevening everyone-
continue to post your college application “batting averages”… all the cool applicants are doing it.
best of luck”</p>

<p>I guess I’ll post mine. </p>

<p>School: California Community College - De Anza College
Major: Business Administration/Economics
De Anza GPA: currently 3.93 (from calc with my winter grades but i could be off)
De Anza GPA @ time of UC: 3.81 (2 bs)
De Anza GPA @ time of Haas Supplemental: 3.867
Santa Barbara City College GPA: 3.698 (2 b’s in chemistry
Applied to: Haas, Carnegie, NYU, UCD, UCLA, UCSD
Schools Accepted to so Far: UCI, UCSB
ECS: 4+ years of Volunteering at Hospital, tutoring at elementary, chairman/chair of Finance of Inter-Club Council at DA, work w/ Nordstroms, work in small engineering company, certified mediator for DA.</p>

<p>What will hurt my app: four b’s in my three years of community college. 2 in chemistry, 1 in micro, one in math 1a, three withdrawls (1 during my dad’s heart attack, two in the summer of 05)</p>

<p>What will hurt my Haas app: one grammatical typo, one conceptual typo (instead of saying 'to decrease the socio-economic rift in New Orleans", I said “to decrease New Orleans Economy”), the paragraphing became jacked up w/o my knowledge when i copy/paste</p>

<p>What i have working: EC’s, work, grade trend: Math 1a B –>Math 1b A, microecon B –> Macroecon A, improved GPA, California applicant, semi-regional bias (only 40 miles away)</p>

<p>Shooting for Haas. Will I get in? In all honesty I doubt it. I spent weeks writing my personal statements but i still feel i could have done better. Initial three I felt were i guess solid. My haas essay…it was decent at my best in my opinion but I have three fatal flaws and some of my ending suggestions were kind of anti-big business like raising progressive tax. Competition is stiff with only 90/500 or 90/1200 however you look at it. People here commented that I won’t get it. I sort of agree, you have to be exceptional in what you have going on or else you’ll end up rejected like me.</p>

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<p>I think that “loose men” is covered by the secretive fraternity category. Branding people with heated hangers while forcing them to swear complete devotion to your sect just screams “Mr. Slave” to me.</p>

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<p>Damn kudos! </p>

<p>I was thinking about Chuck Norris too!</p>

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<p>“I have a simple question: How can professional discussions about philosophical issues ever exist if there are no amatuer philosophical discussions? Isn’t honing your wits and arguments, say, the whole point of a college caeer?”</p>

<p>The goal should be to first learn how to even begin useful philosophical discussion. If you cannot enter a discussion from the right place, it is destined for failure and not learning.</p>

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<p>I see. So, in your opinion, “I like questions” is not an appropriate response when one is asked why they’re majoring in philosophy?</p>

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<p>I don’t think I can dictate what an “appropriate response” would be for anyone who is mentioning a reason why they are majoring in philosophy.</p>

<p>A person can have whatever personal reason they want for majoring in philosophy.</p>

<p>My point was not related to how or why someone chooses to major in philosophy. Regardless of one’s reasons to major in the subject, a thorough preparation for philosophical debate should be required before trying to address issues from a philosophical perspective. </p>

<p>For instance, anyone can just read Plato’s Republic and then proceed to discuss it. But of course, more likely than not the person will barely have skimmed the surface of the work and any such discussion will only lead the person away from the actual substance. Instead, before embarking on the work, one should be thoroughly prepared. And a structured discussion after thoroughly being prepared and reading will of course be the most important learning of all.</p>

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<p>And by the way, I have gone too far. Let’s not have this discussion here.</p>

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<p>Given that nobody involved in the discussion had really mentioned a particular philosopher or his/her work when you made the “quasi-philosophical” and “amatuer” remarks–and proceeded to state that we were apparently engaging in the type of lowbrow conversations that made you “consider not majoring in philosophy”–I don’t see how your point applies to what has been written in this topic. Austin asked me why I majored in philosophy, I answered, he replied, Matt replied … and you made those remarks. It seemed kind of unwarranted.</p>

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<p>g1a2b3e4 are you the old gabe?</p>

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<p>Eschatos, how about we continue the discussion in a more structured way–perhaps in or around a classroom when we are both students at Berkeley? (That is your first choice, right?)</p>

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<p>g1a2b3e, do you ever sleep?</p>