UCB and UCLA L&S Unit Cap - Help?

[BostonCrmPie]

<p>Hey there, I’m a long-time lurker of this board and I’m hoping someone can help me out. :)</p>

<p>I’ll have almost reached 80 transferable units after the fall. I’d like to take more later, but I’m afraid I’ll breach a cap. Most of my units are from a CC, but 8 are from a four-year university. (They’re standard intro classes so they should be UC-transferable.) However, I took them from a summer program, so I was enrolled in their summer school and not the university itself.</p>

<p>My impression is that as long as I don’t exceed 80/86 units at a four-year, I can take as many CC units as I want, in which case I should be fine, but I’m confused because of their official wording. Here’s the official take on unit caps: </p>

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UCB
College of Letters and Science: A student who has accumulated more than 80
transferable semester units from a four‐year institution is considered to have excess
units and will not be admitted. A student who has completed 80 or fewer UCtransferable
semester units at a four‐year university and then transfers to a
community college will not accrue excess units and will be considered for
admission.</p>

<p>Students who have only attended a community college will be granted subject
credit, but not unit credit, for appropriate two‐year college coursework taken in
excess of the community college 70‐unit limit; such subject credit may be used to
satisfy/complete requirements.

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UCLA
With the exception of the School of Nursing (post‐licensure), UCLA generally
considers a student who has accumulated more than 86 transferable semester units
(129 transferable quarter units) at a university to have exceeded maximum units
allowable for admission. Such a student will not be admitted. For the College of
Letters and Science, a student who completed 86 or fewer UC‐transferable semester
units (129 or fewer transferable quarter units) at a university then transferred to,
and remained exclusively at, a community college does not exceed the maximum
units allowable for admission purposes.

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<p>Do I fit under the category of students who “transfer to a CC from a four-year” university? What’s my cap? Thanks for the help in advance!</p>

[nick_scheu]

<p>When did you take the classes from the four-year—before after your CCC classes?</p>

<p>If you took them before, you don’t have a cap for UCLA and Berkeley. The only limit is 80/86 semester units from a four-year. If you have less than that, you can take 500 CCC units if you really want to.</p>

<p>However, the three “San” UCs (Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, and San Diego) count all units together. For instance, if you took one three unit class at a CSU, then transferred to a CCC, you can’t take 90 or more units. They count all units together. I have this issue–I have 27 units from a worthless LAC, and after this semester I’ll have 61 from a CCC. That’s 88 total, and I literally can’t take any more classes in Spring.</p>

[BostonCrmPie]

<p>Thanks for the speedy reply, nick. I took the four-year classes while I was in CC. In fact, I just finished them up a few weeks ago. So to be absolutely clear, am I now free to take however many CC units I want for both UCB and UCLA? (I don’t want to take any chances.)</p>

<p>Sucks about your situation. Are you sure all of your LAC units are transferable?</p>

[nick_scheu]

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In fact, I just finished them up a few weeks ago. So to be absolutely clear, am I now free to take however many CC units I want for both UCB and UCLA?

I think you’ll be okay, since you’re taking CCC classes after, but you should contact the two schools to be absolutely sure. Your CCC should have a rep for each campus… Here are the reps for Moorpark College:
[College</a> Representatives - Services for Students - Moorpark College](<a href=“http://www.moorparkcollege.edu/services_for_students/transfer_center/collegerepresentatives.shtml]College”>Transfer College and University Representatives)</p>

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Sucks about your situation. Are you sure all of your LAC units are transferable?

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<p>No, but I have no way of knowing until after I apply. The UCs won’t conduct an official transcript evaluation until after admission, if granted. Apparently the admissions officers conduct an unofficial evaluation in order to determine whether or not to admit the student.</p>

<p>I suspect many will be judged non-transferrable, because most have no direct parallels in the catalogs of either UCLA or UCSD (the two UCs I’m most interested in). For instance, one math class I took at the LAC was called “group theory.” The UCs offer one or two undergraduate classes with group theory as a topic, but not a dedicated course all about group theory. </p>

<p>From what I understand (and I’m no expert on this), group theory isn’t usually explored in depth until graduate school. Indeed, UCLA offers a graduate-level course on the topic, Math 213. But the class I took was a basic treatment of the subject, with no prerequisites. Prerequisites play a role in how UCs judge whether or not a math class is transferrable.</p>

<p>So it’s a basic, prerequisite-less class on a topic not normally covered until grad school. Does that mean it’s transferrable? I suspect not, but I’m not willing to bet on that. Most courses from the LAC are similarly troublesome.</p>

<p>I’m not using the LAC courses at all. I got a 2.0 there, and I’ve gotten a 3.95 at my CCC (one B in an online business class). Frankly, I think there’s a decent chance they’ll just write off those weird LAC classes as an aberration, considering the difference between my performance there and at the CCC.</p>