Thanks. Where I was going with it is that I don’t think there is an obvious correlation. And that “most” NMFs will not necessarily be accepted to one or the other. Particularly for CS, which has a sub-5% admit rate at both.
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Although, in a sense, this anecdotal evidence would seem to support your point, at least obliquely: at a school with maybe 2 NMSFs, there were still approx 30 acceptances to UCB + UCLA so, in this case, also no clear correlation as non-NMSFs are obviously also getting in a fairly high rate.
It’s probably not a significant factor in admission, although perhaps those students most likely to be NMSFs are possibly also more likely to be generally high achieving students with many other “pull” factors in their applications.
Yes, most students of any category will not get in due to the low acceptance rate.
I understand your upset and I don’t blame you. I would ask you to consider that some majors, like CS, have lower acceptance rates than others. For UCLA I believe the rate was 3.8% in 2022 and 3.1% in 2023. Crazy low when you think about it.
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Yes, that’s part of my point. At a HS with 30 NMFs, the NMFs and many of their classmates have a lot of attributes that will come into play, and the NMF is not necessarily correlated to admission.
Another part is that so many of these high-achieving students from the same high school are competing with each other when applying to the same universities.
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Why even take the SAT test into your argument when UCs never ask for it? It’s not one of the evaluation factors. So many colleges don’t see SAT scores, not just the UCs.
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Two or three were NMSQT semifinalist in my high school. These students from previous years got in UCLA and UCB . And 1% of 600 students got in ucla and ucb or one of them.
Never failed this theory because our school gives gpa pamphlet in graduation day and records their colleges they will attend in year book. According to our school counselor, if my child is top 10% , undoubtedly gets 1500 SAT. School counselor has school data. So i believed it.
SAT score is a factor of academic profile definitely. However, I found some got into Stanford or Harvard with low score before covid . Now some students got into top schools without test score. But Havard kicked 50 students off from their school because they( admitted without sat score) failed academically. So some ivy bring it back.
However i found that top students in high schools get 1400 on SAT and i think it isn’t different from 1500 to study in the colleges.
UCLA and UCB admitted top students before covid and also rejected students who got over 1500 SAT before blinding SAT score.
The UCs are test blind but many top schools are now starting to require scores again bc they finally can see a trend that students wo objective tests are less academically successful. If you’re only applying to public CA though no scores are required and you have better chances if you’re 1st gen
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Thank you. I can see there being correlation to UCLA/UCB admission when the number of NMSF/NMF are on the lower side like this. I think the correlation goes away as that number grows.
The UC’s don’t get to see the SAT scores. However, since NMSF are public I wouldn’t be surprised if that info is somehow used at UCLA for things like Regents. They say they take the top 4 or 5% of applicants I believe, and I don’t see how they can do that based purely on GPAs.
If there were only a couple of NMSF at a school, I expect there is a good chance they would get accepted at both like my S22. But at the schools with many NMSF, I expect lots of them wouldn’t.
They write down their situation ( semifinalist) on UC application award section . And also my son wrote he has Schoolhouse certification . It indicates high score in SAT
Also, i don’t know other school. But my school , Semifinalist got into Hass school or CS in ucla. My son got into economic and business major in ucla One got into Stanford 2020 . I think my son has good chance for ucb. We will see.
Yeah, I know my son did something like that. But they are not supposed to consider it. The regents was actually the top 1.5%. Way lower than I remembered.
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I didn’t say about regent. I only know these stats have been getting into UCLA and UCB.
I heard from 2015, UCB accepted Top student from each school no matter what their SAT score ( underrepresented area) .
I don’t think UC schools are changed much .
This is the same for my kids bay area high school last year.
They had a few NMSFs but had 28 accepted to UCB and 28 accepted to UCLA last year. And quite honestly not alot of overlap in the numbers.
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My daughter and my neighbor’s daughter both National Merit Semifinalist got into UCLA. Both applied non-CS though. They had 4 more NMSF in their school. Not sure about them. It does look like UCLA values it. Listing NMSF is a good way to indicate that one would be a very high SAT student ( old days when SAT was valued)
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This is the UCLA Class of 2028 thread. The UCs are test blind. Please move discussion about PSAT and SAT scores to a separate thread.
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@Gumbymom when does UCLA regents come out and how does one know if they got it?
Got in UCLA computer engineering but heard that students can not get into required classes due to capacity issue. Is this true? choosing between Umich engineering and UCLA computer engineering. thanks all
Is this true?