UCLA undergrad is better than UCB?!

<p>My friend was telling me that UCLA undergrad education is better than UCB..
I was like...HELL NO!! But he insisted that while UCB graduate is better, UCLA undergraduate is better than berkeley.....Is this true??</p>

<p>What do you think? That is the question.</p>

<p>no no no...from my understanding, UCLA people only study couple of days before midterm/finals, but berkeley people study everyday...you tell me which undergrad is better?</p>

<p>UCLA students always compare themselves to Berkeley. Berkeley has been a touchstone for UCLA students since the 1980's.
Berkeley students talk about matching Stanford in particular and HYPM in general.
You tell me which is better. We all look up at the next level of the food chain.</p>

<p>BTW, look at the incoming freshman stats from ucop. UCLA's avg is 4.10, Cal's is very close to 4.19. That's a significant difference and no one can argue about the stats.</p>

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no no no...from my understanding, UCLA people only study couple of days before midterm/finals, but berkeley people study everyday...you tell me which undergrad is better?

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<p>Based on your understanding derived from what?</p>

<p>erm...I was talking about the quality of undergraduate education, not the students...</p>

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UCLA students always compare themselves to Berkeley. Berkeley has been a touchstone for UCLA students since the 1980's.
Berkeley students talk about matching Stanford in particular and HYPM in general.
You tell me which is better. We all look up at the next level of the food chain.</p>

<p>BTW, look at the incoming freshman stats from ucop. UCLA's avg is 4.10, Cal's is very close to 4.19. That's a significant difference and no one can argue about the stats.

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<p>Dare I say, UCLA has compared itself to Berkeley since the 1930s...I mean, that's just a product of being produced later. That doesn't mean that it's worse. In terms of faculty quality, UCLA compares itself to Stanford as well (the joys of being a "peer institution.")</p>

<p>And how is 4.10 significantly different from 4.19? In terms of statistical significance, it's probably not even a standard deviation...</p>

<p>misz87,</p>

<p>I'd say that the experience will largely depend on what you want in a university. What have you found likeable about both?</p>

<p>well..I visited UCLA and like the overall atmosphere, but i decided to go to berkeley because 1) i wanna get out of SoCal for a change, 2) although i was taken aback by the berkeley surroundings (kinda "ghettoish"), i liked its energy and atmosphere...</p>

<p>That's a great reason! Getting away is something that most students will really really benefit from.</p>

<p>I wouldn't worry that one undergrad body is that much better or worse. They both have things about them that are impressive. I'd say you definitely made the right choice for yourself.</p>

<p>"In terms of statistical significance, it's probably not even a standard deviation..."</p>

<p>this diff between ucla and ucb is actually more important than you think
with the thousands of the same students applying to both schools, it obviously shows which school is getting the top applicants</p>

<p>No, and I'm gonna get shot for this, it shows you which school gets more athletes. There, I said it.</p>

<p>Since it's almost a given that athletes are being admitted with significantly lower SAT scores than their academic counterparts, and UCLA is almost bound to have more, I think it's a better theory than, "UCLA students are dumber."</p>

<p>cal has excellent athletics, the football team is far superior, and ive read that cal uses at least "500 athlete admission" spots, that claim doesnt have a lot of weight when comparing both schools</p>

<p>No ****e Cal has excellent athletics. However, I sincerely doubt it has the same number of athletes as UCLA. </p>

<p>Either way, thanks for assuming I'm too stupid to know about Cal football. All us Bruins are too busy drooling on ourselves to know.</p>

<p>Sheez.</p>

<p>The facts are:
Cal: Home of the hypersmart (very far right end of the spectrum) as well as some not so good people.
UCLA: Large numbers of very smart people, but few people on the very far right end of the spectrum, and contains quite a lot of not so good people.</p>

<p>And generally, it's the hyperintelligent people who set the marks and the goal.</p>

<p>You go Bubbles, I love your arguments without merit. Woo!</p>

<p>Facts are nothing with you around!</p>

<p>I'll touch on this topic because I see some similarities between it at the USC/UCLA argument.</p>

<p>Historically, it's been accepted that Cal, as being first and the flagship institution of the University of California, has been the dominant school. If you look at admissions stats and the like, historically, they've been superior to UCLA's. However, UCLA's popularity has been steadily growing, as well as its admissions profile -- to the point where currently, the statistical differences between admissions statistics of each school's student body's are dismissible. The past few years or so, it seems as though California's top students set on going to a UC are all being forced to make the decision of Berkeley or LA; a decision where campus life and fit are the main factors, not academics because they're so similar. </p>

<p>Furthermore, UCLA has surpassed Berkeley in federal research funding. If anyone knows of other readily available research statistics, likely, UCLA will find itself ahead of Cal their too. This is not to say that one can use research money to draw conclusions about the quality of undergraduate program or student body, but it is a reflection of the university's quality.</p>

<p>Like the USC/UCLA argument, historical perception often triumphs over reality; the reality being that UCLA in many facets has caught up with Cal (admissions stats), and in others (like research) has surpassed Cal.</p>

<p>themegastud,</p>

<p>What, you could stop drooling over yourself long enough to type that out? We're not Cal students, we're obviously dumb.</p>

<p>SIGH.</p>

<p>No no, I just managed to get that out during a break in the gang wars constantly plaguing my Compton/Watts neighborhood.</p>

<p>Don't be too resigned Ari... we're on the Cal board after all. It's an uphill battle.</p>

<p>Boy, now I know you you feel on the UCLA section...</p>

<p>Your Compton/Watts joke reminded me of that Chappelle skit with the gangster documentary...</p>

<p>"Coo coo...coo coo..." I forget who did the pigeon joke, but it was funny.</p>