A lot of them decide by looking at salary reports.
that seems plausible, but I am sure parents are also influencing those things. it is not far fetched to think that some students may not want to pursue the major they were admitted in, and should have a fair chance (although small) to change their major. why should we bring in first gen, low income, stuff again in major change after they have already been admitted to the UC. their major change criteria for selective major seems very misplaced to me.
I believe they really do not know. My daughter says she is premed and wants to be a doctorâŠmeh, maybe, talk to me when you get to the class where you cut another human open, then we will talk. Until then, you are a chemistry major and it is ok if you change your mind after a year or two of that too.
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And a lot of them simply know what they want to pursue.
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This might be a dynamic specific to pre-med but in most CS/engg disciplines kids generally have an idea of what they want to do. Either because they succeed in the math/physics classes, or grew up in an area where there is a strong industry presence (no accident CS demand is off the charts in CA), or participated in programs/events/competitions that harnessed that interest. Exposure to the success and employment prospects is a big factor too.
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Is this type of discrimination legal? California taxpayers are already frustrated by the large numbers of international/OSS taking their tax-subsidized spots in the UCs. Now, they prioritize non-tax payers in major selection? They seem to really hate those who fund them.
Also, whatâs to prevent students from lying about being 1st gen on their applications?
what are you talking about?
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Pell grant recipients donât pay much if any taxes but get massive priority when changing majors ahead of those families who do pay taxes. UCs are funded by taxpayers.
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Not sure, could be wrong. i just donât really think most(not all and maybe this is really changing) that when my daughter says she likes/loves chemistry that she really has any real idea of what a chemist will really do. She might love chem lab in high school, but I am not convinced she really knows what that job actually entails or looks like daily until she has been more exposed to it.
I support my daughter in whatever she wants to do, but I am not going to be surprised at all if she changes her major several times.
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There are plenty of CA residents who are also Pell recipients. What would make you happy? Auction off seats to the highest CA taxpayers?
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Agreed. My daughter excelled in Math and Science so went to UC Irvine for Biology. Changed her major her first year after realizing she did not enjoy Labs. I believe the statistic is that 1/3 of students change their major at least once. To be 17 and have a true idea of what they want to be in live is a bit of a stretch. I changed my major when I was in college as well.
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No, how about just GPA and rigor of coursework in related fields (physics, calc, etc).
If still difficult to narrow, an interview and/or essay.
Economic status and/or parents education should not outweigh individuals academic achievements/capability.
CA residents should be prioritized but all CA residents should be on equal footing - then academic performance only.
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it is possible, but donât you think that even those who are absolutely sure about their major in high school might find some other major more appealing in college. after all, their knowledge is likely to expand in college, no?
Depends on the kid. Plenty of kids I know (including my own) knew what they wanted, stuck with it, and are very happy with their choice.
Except there is a lot of research that has specifically shown these to be interlinked. The UCs know gpa cutoffs very much favor kids from higher income families so itâs not unfair to boost the FGLI kids. When Cal modified their LS CS policy, they mentioned that one of the big reasons for the switch to direct admit was to make the process more holistic.
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i am not saying that there are no kids who are absolutely certain of what they want to do and keep doing that. but it seems unreasonable to assume that nobody should change their mind on major after going to college. people even change their major/area in grad school.
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I think we are saying the same thing so not sure thereâs a disagreement. I said âdepends on the kidâ. Didnât say all kids.
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Same here.
Sure, some change. Others want to change but cannot because of limited seats in certain majors. For example, at many colleges its easy for a CS major to transfer to just about any other major. On the other hand, a history major will find it virtually impossible to switch to CS.
Iâm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that First Generation students are less abled?
Most of these studies show a correlation between parent incomes and GPA/SAT scores, etc. but everyone knows that correlation does not equal causation. There are likely other factors at work.
Why should I be punished because my parents happened to go to college? This policy makes it pretty much impossible for anyone but FGLI students to get a spot.
The UCs have massive resources and provide them in full force to low income students upon their arrival. At what point do they need to swim on their own?
Whatâs the point of admitting a 2.0 GPA FGLI student into a very difficult program just to watch them flunk out while a 3.8 GPA student doesnât get a chance.
Why, indeed?
So you can show the demographics that make you feel better?
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