UF or Ucf med program?

IlikeRice · February 20, 2009, 5:49pm

I was wondering which university has a better med program without transfering to another medical school to finish the md program? And also which is more benefiting? ;D?

ASMAJ · February 20, 2009, 6:00pm

UF’s medical school is much harder medical school to get into. UCF’s first class is opening up Fall 09, along with FIU’s 1st class.

Of the allopathic schools in FL: UF/UM, USF, FSU, and then UCF/FIU

Once you start a medical school, transferring is not an option unless you have a really, really good reason.

Could you reword your question if I didn’t answer what you were looking for?

seiclan · February 21, 2009, 8:06am

I know someone who transferred from Nova Southeastern’s Med School to USF. I am sure he could cite cost and allopathic vs. DO program as his reason’s though. He went to Wash U St. Louis undergrad btw. If you can get into UF’s program, I would go to UF (or UM) for reason of the quality of the hospital’s associated with it/them.

SSobick · February 21, 2009, 8:34am

UF Medicine has been around since 1958, and is part of the J. Hillis Miller Health Science Center. The College always receives high marks for research expenditures, and the facuty is nothing short of world-class. Not uncommon to get internships with John Hopkins or Harvard Medical School after one is done with their M.D.

UCF Medicine is brand new (but does have potential down the road). Their first incoming class got full scholarships, and did not have to pay a dime to attend. All class following have to pay the full price.

dvm258 · February 21, 2009, 9:17am

Unless you would be part of the introductory class at UCF, I think you should pick UF if you get into it, simply because I would give UCF two years or so to really get started up.

And the UCF Med School was actually one of the most selective in the country this year because of the free tuition offer. Over 10% of all med school applicants in the country applied to UCF this year, and there are only 40 spots in their class.

FL317 · February 21, 2009, 12:42pm

Keep this in mind…my niece went to UF undergrad and applied to UF, UM, and USF medical schools. She now is a first year at UM and loves it. She was accepted to UM and USF in a normal time period. However, as is quite common with UF undergrads applying to UF med school, priority is NOT given to UF students. A few weeks before classes were to begin, UF finally let her know that she was accepted. This did not only happen to her, but to someone else I know. He got fed up with waiting and went to Columbia. I would be interested to know exactly how many new first year med students at UF attended UF for undergrad, too. Does anyone know?

parent2noles · February 21, 2009, 1:44pm

UCF’s program is not even fully accredited yet.

SSobick · February 21, 2009, 4:44pm

"However, as is quite common with UF undergrads applying to UF med school, priority is NOT given to UF students. "

That is good news in my opinion. But sadly that is not the case for the Levin College of Law.

atticusfinch · February 24, 2009, 12:35pm

Levin doesn’t give any special priority to students who completed their undergraduate education at UF.

dvm258 · March 16, 2009, 11:46pm

I thought I would update the thread with this:

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It’s getting an extremely good start, but only time will tell how much the school will succeed once the scholarships end.

Parent2noles and the story both raise the point that UCF isn’t completely accredited yet because they need to be in operation for a few years first. But seriously, after all this money invested in an entire “medical city” and free tuition, UCF wouldn’t allow the school to fail. If somehow it does, count on immediate resignations from Dr. German and President Hitt.

Also, UCF routinely says that they have been granted “preliminary accreditation,” whatever that means.

goufgators · March 17, 2009, 11:28am

It’s free for the inaugural class so that UCF can easily kick start the program. It’s not like UCF is going to continue offering a free med school program or something.

ASMAJ · March 17, 2009, 4:32pm

I highly doubt they will fail. FSU was a new med school in 2000 and are doing just fine now. There MCAT scores are gradually increasing every year and they are adding more resources and recruiting better faculty every year. For example, they recruited one of the best professors at UF med over to FSU to teach the anatomy course.

Plus there are always premeds that will accept a position in UCF and FIU’s med school. However, the stats of UCFs student might be higher year because of the scholarship and decrease next year.

parent2noles · March 17, 2009, 5:57pm

The difference is that the FIU and UCF med schools were added during a time of budget surplus. They are hurting for funds right now. The state refused to give them the increases they requested. Even the UF med folks complained that FSU med was getting more money than they.

Free tuition is a great start-off gimmick, but is too expensive to last.

goufgators · March 17, 2009, 7:41pm

You talking about that old guy that was making way too much money just teaching a class? I forget his name. He left during the Kone issues.

goufgators · March 17, 2009, 7:43pm

Yeah. FSU is getting more state funding per med student than UF is. I’m glad UF is able to bring in lots of NIH grant money to supplement the difference.

ASMAJ · March 17, 2009, 8:38pm

Never heard complaints about his salary. Can you give me a source, if available? Kone was alone with his issues. Romrell didn’t have anything to do with his admission decision.

parent2noles · March 17, 2009, 8:48pm

[Dr</a>. Lynn Romrell](<a href=“http://med.fsu.edu/facultyprofiles/FacultyProfile.aspx?activedirectoryid=lynn.romrell&directoryid=0]Dr”>http://med.fsu.edu/facultyprofiles/FacultyProfile.aspx?activedirectoryid=lynn.romrell&directoryid=0) was at UF Med for 33 years and was well regarded.

Prior to joining the faculty of the Florida State University College of Medicine, Lynn J. Romrell, has most recently been a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology and Executive Director, Anatomical Board of the State of Florida. He served as the Associate Dean for Medical Education at the University of Florida College of Medicine, 1998-2008.

Dr. Romrell’s research is in the field of genetic control of events in spermatogenesis, and he is author of numerous peer reviewed articles, abstracts and chapters. He has also co-authored seven books and two computer programs in the fields of anatomy and histology.

Dr. Romrell is recognized as an outstanding teacher, having been selected as the Basic Science Teacher of the Year in the UF College of Medicine in 1978-79, 1996-97 and 1999-2000, and as co-recipient of Golden Apple Award for Outstanding Basic Science Course by each graduating class from 1993 to 2000 and 2002 to 2004. In 1996, Dr. Romrell was the recipient of the Professional Achievement Award given by Idaho State University’s College of Arts and Sciences. In 2001, Dr. Romrell was inducted into the University of Florida College of Medicine Society of Teaching Scholars.

He served as a representative on the USMLE Step 1 Anatomy Test Committee for the National Board of Medical Examiners, 1995-1998 and 1999-2001. Currently serves as Program Secretary on the Executive Council of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists, July 2005-2007. In October 2004, elected as a Faculty Member to the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society at the University of Florida College of Medicine.

In 2004, served as a member of the Medical Education Study Advisory Committee for the Florida Legislature’s Council for Education Policy, Research and Improvement (CEPRI). At the request of the Florida Board of Governors, the CEPRI was directed to assess the adequacy of the physician workforce in the state and suggest alternatives to address a physician workforce shortage.

As Associate Dean for Medical Education and Director of the Chapman Education Center at the University of Florida College of Medicine, Dr. Romrell was responsible for the administration of the educational programs for the four years of medical school. He, in collaboration with Dr. Robert Watson, developed the concept of Mission-Based Budgeting and has been invited to present this concept at national meetings and at several medical schools. Drs. Watson and Romrell have recently published a paper in Academic Medicine entitled: “Mission-Based-Budgeting: Removing a Graveyard.”

Dr. Romrell also has interest in medical informatics and has served on local and national task forces concerned with the use of computer technology in medical education.

Education
Idaho State University, Pocatello, Idaho, 1964-1967, B.S. - 1967
Utah State University, Logan, Utah, 1967-1971, Ph.D. - 1971
Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, Postdoctoral Fellow, 1971-1973

It’s always a little amusing when UF grads take shots at FSU Med, since a number of FSU Med faculty came over from UF Med to start the College. My D1 starts FSU Med in May. She’ll likely be taught by Dr. Romrell to some extent.

goufgators · March 17, 2009, 8:58pm

If I remember correctly, Kone had a few issues with some of the dinosaur professors (like Romrell) that were making too much money and not really contributing to UF’s Med school in research as much as they used to. I think Watson was the other dinosaur Kone was trying to push out.

ASMAJ · March 17, 2009, 8:59pm

Well he’s the course director for anatomy, so she will see him all summer. Most loved the course (both when he taught at UF and now at FSU). She probably knows this already but with anatomy and the doctoring 101 class starting over summer, it leads to a pretty lax schedule during the fall and spring. So the students don’t feel as pressured compared to other school.

Ok. I remember the professor issue Kone had, but if Romrell was a target that was a stupid decision. Anyways, Kone’s not dean anymore.

parent2noles · March 17, 2009, 9:05pm

And then Kone was [pushed</a> out…](<a href=“http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2008/05/uf-medical-scho.html]pushed”>http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2008/05/uf-medical-scho.html)

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